Michelin Pilot Sport 4S

[Dippydo]

Originally Posted by Billj747

"The guy"? Michelin says they are very similar in the dry.

Sorry, the guy at Tire Rack which from my conversation was a geek about tires and not just your run of the mill sales agent. The 4S is similar to the PSS with slightly better grip on dry and according to those that have them (yes I know a guy here locally and in Minnesota) that had them pre-release said they are a lot grippier in wet. You do what you want. I know that it is never a 'great' idea to run different compounds front vs rear and def not a 'great' idea to run a stickier tire on the front than the rear especially in wet conditions and RWD.

[Billj747]

Originally Posted by Kabrich

There you go again with those now famous undocumented statements.

Michelin has gone out of their way to project MPS4S as better than MPSS after the MPSS lost at metrics in 2016 tests to SC6.

Go ahead and write something on your website so you can link to it here so the uninformed think you are possibly correct.

Yup. Because they are conversations I've had with the engineers that designed the tire.

[einscot]

i heard continental tires were just pure crap...

[ssabripo]

Well, I couldn't wait any more, and given that I got some info from an old friend who still works at Michelin in Spartanburg SC that the molds for the P4S are almost identical to the PSS (ie, thread widths are likely to be the same), I went ahead and ordered the 265/35 MO + 295/35* MPSS...

-Cheaper
-in stock
-in lease car anyways

oh well

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

Well, I couldn't wait any more, and given that I got some info from an old friend who still works at Michelin in Spartanburg SC that the molds for the P4S are almost identical to the PSS (ie, thread widths are likely to be the same), I went ahead and ordered the 265/35 MO + 295/35* MPSS...

-Cheaper
-in stock
-in lease car anyways

oh well

Did you check discount tire for MPS4S stock? I guess they have their own warehouses. Dropped wheels off a few hours ago to have mine installed. 1350 out the door which is cheaper than the tirerack price for just the tires.

[Kabrich]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Yup. Because they are conversations I've had with the engineers that designed the tire.

Oh, your equivalent of "the guy", lol.

And with all your contacts you couldn't help @dmk08 out in his time of need...

Yeah, great contacts.

[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Did you check discount tire for MPS4S stock? I guess they have their own warehouses. Dropped wheels off a few hours ago to have mine installed. 1350 out the door which is cheaper than the tirerack price for just the tires.

discount tire prices (at least last nite on the site) were not any cheaper than tirerack, and they don't have the 285/35R19 size available for the P4S

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

discount tire prices (at least last nite on the site) were not any cheaper than tirerack, and they don't have the 285/35R19 size available for the P4S

They didn't have mine on the site either I just had to call.

[CanAutM3]

Tire rack have published the tread widths for the PS4S.

I speculate the ideal setup for 20" wheels will be a 265-295/30R20 combo.

Those 295 20" have a 11" tread width, which is 1.1" wider than the stock 285/30R20 CP PSS. The 285/30R20 PS4S have a much narrower tread width at 9.8", which is actually 0.1" narrower than the stock CP rear PSS.

[mercedesc63]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Tire rack have published the tread widths for the PS4S and they are quite meaty .

I speculate the ideal setup will be 265-295/35R19 or 265-295/30R20.

Those 295 in both 19" and 20" have a 11.1" tread width, which is the same as the 295/35R19(*) PSS that I have on my car and a whopping 1.6 wider than stock. The 285 have a much narrower tread width at 10" and 9.8" for the 19" and 20" respectively which is just 0.3"~0.5" wider than stock.

Hopefully they redesign the PS4S to become a M5 star spec..

The reason why I would gravitate to a M5 Star Spec 285 PS2 or M5 Star Spec 295 is that they have been designed to fit smaller 9.5" and 10" wheels.

[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Tire rack have published the tread widths for the PS4S and they are quite meaty .

I speculate the ideal setup will be 265-295/35R19 or 265-295/30R20.

Those 295 in both 19" and 20" have a 11.1" tread width, which is the same as the 295/35R19(*) PSS that I have on my car and a whopping 1.6 wider than stock. The 285 have a much narrower tread width at 10" and 9.8" for the 19" and 20" respectively which is just 0.3"~0.5" wider than stock.

there is no 295/35R19 at the moment

[dmk08]

I just picked up my wheels with the freshly mounted PS4S. Will post some pics up in the Signature Wheels thread once I put them on the car.

[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I just picked up my wheels with the freshly mounted PS4S. Will post some pics up in the Signature Wheels thread once I put them on the car.

what sizes u end up with?

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

what sizes u end up with?

20x9.5 +18 with 265/30/20 and 20x11 +38 with 295/30/20.

[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by dmk08

20x9.5 +18 with 265/30/20 and 20x11 +38 with 295/30/20.

ah ok. Man, I wish they had the 295/35 in 19" but alas, can't wait for novemeber. Oh well, the MPSS will do for now.

looking forward to the pics

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

ah ok. Man, I wish they had the 295/35 in 19" but alas, can't wait for novemeber. Oh well, the MPSS will do for now.

looking forward to the pics

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

what sizes u end up with?

You are right, I misread the 295/30R19

I edited my OP to fix this. Thanks for pointing it out.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Tire rack have published the tread widths for the PS4S and they are quite meaty .

I speculate the ideal setup will be 265-295/35R19 or 265-295/30R20.

Those 295 in both 19" and 20" have a 11.1" tread width, which is the same as the 295/35R19(*) PSS that I have on my car and a whopping 1.6 wider than stock. The 285 have a much narrower tread width at 10" and 9.8" for the 19" and 20" respectively which is just 0.3"~0.5" wider than stock.

According to TireRack, 295/30/20 PS4S has 11" tread width while Star Spec 295/30/20 PSS has 11.6". I mean probably PS4S is still a better tire but 0.6" difference is not that small.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by cntzl

According to TireRack, 295/30/20 PS4S has 11" tread width while Star Spec 295/30/20 PSS has 11.6". I mean probably PS4S is still a better tire but 0.6" difference is not that small.

These 295 PS4S look wider than my old RE11 305s. No real measurements tho.

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by dmk08

These 295 PS4S look wider than my old RE11 305s. No real measurements tho.

The 305 RE11 or RE71 are 11.1 tread width, so they are pretty much same as PS4S in 295 (11.0''). The shoulder protection on the PS4S makes them look wider for sure!

[LAKERS333]

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[M3_Socal]

Costco has them on sale ($70 manufacturer coupon expiring 3/12). 255/35/19 & 275/35/19 for $1100 including tax. Just picked up a set today. Extra set available @ Costco Alhambra.