Another engine oil thread. Castrol Edge/Pennzoil/ Liqui Moly?

[hellokitty]

Where do you guys get your oil testing done? Preferably something other than Blackstone since I want to try something new…

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

300V 15w50 HTHS is higher than BMW TT 10w60 @150C.
This "feel" does not come with every engine oil I use, mostly Motul or Redline.

Ah ok, didn't know the TPT 10w60 had a lower HTHS. thanks for sharing.

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

Where do you guys get your oil testing done? Preferably something other than Blackstone since I want to try something new…

I want to try something other than blackstone as well but I have been using them for a long time so I just "prefer" their format.

Oil analyzers
Testoil
Wix
Napa
Wearcheck
Polaris

These are a few others I know of.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by JamesGames

Ah ok, didn't know the TPT 10w60 had a lower HTHS. thanks for sharing.

Ester based oils will always have very strong HTHS compared to other oils.
BMW will never recommend 300V or similar oils bcs. oxidation of such oils is very high. Also, dispersants and detergents are not as present as in regular oils.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by JamesGames

I want to try something other than blackstone as well but I have been using them for a long time so I just "prefer" their format.

Oil analyzers
Testoil
Wix
Napa
Wearcheck
Polaris

These are a few others I know of.

WIX is good as well as NAPA.
Blackstone gives IMO most clear readings. Just ignore their narrative.

[bbellz]

I picked this up at my local Walmart. Castrol European 5W30 and it still has the BMW LL-01 designation.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

Liqui Moly Molygen 5W-40 oil analysis with 5000 miles on E85 custom tune.

Molygen 5w-40(with Ceratec) on one of my haulers. I probably wouldn't push this oil past 3k-4k miles due to oxidation.

[TopJimmy]

Here's my first Blackstone+TBN on the Motul 8100 G2 5w40 that I ran for about 3500mi. I'm a bit concerned that Lead is high and they want me to watch for bearing wear/knock. Hmmmmmmmm.

edycol what do you think?

[edycol]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Here's my first Blackstone+TBN on the Motul 8100 G2 5w40 that I ran for about 3500mi. I'm a bit concerned that Lead is high and they want me to watch for bearing wear/knock. Hmmmmmmmm.

edycol what do you think?

You are running ethanol right? Or is it heavily tuned?
That lead is worrisome. Oil sheared but from my recollection your engine is tuned so it shows drop of 2cst which for 4000 miles in an engine like that ok. Flash point and TBN are indicative of really strong base stock and additive package. But all points that you need to bump viscosity. Maybe that will mitigate lead issue and keep KV100 in check.

[hellokitty]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Here's my first Blackstone+TBN on the Motul 8100 G2 5w40 that I ran for about 3500mi. I'm a bit concerned that Lead is high and they want me to watch for bearing wear/knock. Hmmmmmmmm.

edycol what do you think?

What kind of power are you putting down?

If heavily modified, I would consider Motul 300V 5w-40. I'm running this now that my car is on flex fuel.

Just change it every 2.5-3k miles if on full E85

[MisterF80M3]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

What kind of power are you putting down?

If heavily modified, I would consider Motul 300V 5w-40. I'm running this now that my car is on flex fuel.

Just change it every 2.5-3k miles if on full E85

2.5-3k seems excessive. I am on full e85/5k interval and my Blackstone analysis came back clean (posted 2 pages ago). Liqui Moly Molygen

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by edycol

You are running ethanol right? Or is it heavily tuned?
That lead is worrisome. Oil sheared but from my recollection your engine is tuned so it shows drop of 2cst which for 4000 miles in an engine like that ok. Flash point and TBN are indicative of really strong base stock and additive package. But all points that you need to bump viscosity. Maybe that will mitigate lead issue and keep KV100 in check.

Thank you Edycol. Yes, I commonly run E85 on a hot tune, and daily Stg2 93 when the dragstrip is unavailable that weekend. I moved from Specific 5w30 to the Xcess 5w40 as we discussed, quality and additives are holding up well. I'm on my second run of 5w40. I will Blackstone again at 2K, or 1K if they let me, to check that lead again.

At this 2K/1K dump & fill should I stick with the Xcess 5w40 or step up again to Sport 5w50? I've run out of Xcess so it's no probs to buy 2gal of Sport.

I also have 2gal of Red Line 5w40 sitting around (if anyone wants it cheap and is local…) but we discussed sticking to Motul for base stock reasons, and not mixing additives.

-TJ

[edycol]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Thank you Edycol. Yes, I commonly run E85 on a hot tune, and daily Stg2 93 when the dragstrip is unavailable that weekend. I moved from Specific 5w30 to the Xcess 5w40 as we discussed, quality and additives are holding up well. I'm on my second run of 5w40. I will Blackstone again at 2K, or 1K if they let me, to check that lead again.

At this 2K/1K dump & fill should I stick with the Xcess 5w40 or step up again to Sport 5w50? I've run out of Xcess so it's no probs to buy 2gal of Sport.

I also have 2gal of Red Line 5w40 sitting around (if anyone wants it cheap and is local…) but we discussed sticking to Motul for base stock reasons, and not mixing additives.

-TJ

Don't get rid of Redline. Use that. Redline 5W40 is very thick W40 at some 15.6. I would use that after this short run. I wouldn't try to set OCI record with it bcs. your engine is shearing oil a lot. Maybe 3k at most.
After that bump viscosity. Motul Sport 5W50, 300V, Mobil1 5W50, Redline 5W50. Choose your "poison."

[edycol]

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

2.5-3k seems excessive. I am on full e85/5k interval and my Blackstone analysis came back clean (posted 2 pages ago). Liqui Moly Molygen

Actually your sheared too. It is thicker than Motul at 14cst when new.
IMO with ethanol very heavy W40 or better, XW50 is best bet.

[hellokitty]

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

2.5-3k seems excessive. I am on full e85/5k interval and my Blackstone analysis came back clean (posted 2 pages ago). Liqui Moly Molygen

My concern with lower OCI intervals is oil shearing as well as rapid oxidation with ester based oils on E85.

I'll need to run a report again to see how it does, but that's usually why redline and 300v needs more frequent changes on E85.

Fcpeuro has lifetime warranty on 300v so I can change more often lol

[edycol]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

My concern with lower OCI intervals is oil shearing as well as rapid oxidation with ester based oils on E85.

I'll need to run a report again to see how it does, but that's usually why redline and 300v needs more frequent changes on E85.

Fcpeuro has lifetime warranty on 300v so I can change more often lol

Run TAN and TBN. As long as TBN is higher than TAN, you are good.

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by hellokitty

If heavily modified, I would consider Motul 300V 5w-40. I'm running this now that my car is on flex fuel. Just change it every 2.5-3k miles if on full E85.

I'm learning enough to be dangerous, I think.
The 300V has great HTHS but little additives, and it's Ester, so it will oxidize quickly under street use.

Originally Posted by MisterF80M3

2.5-3k seems excessive. I am on full e85/5k interval and my Blackstone analysis came back clean (posted 2 pages ago). Liqui Moly Molygen

If running E85 and using Ester 300V on the street I was told by Kratos to change every 1500-1800mi, and for gasoline change at 2-2.5K max. Your LM has plenty of additives and can take the street use much better than Ester (just like BStone said about my 8100 having plenty of additive life left in it).

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by edycol

Don't get rid of Redline. Use that. Redline 5W40 is very thick W40 at some 15.6. I would use that after this short run. I wouldn't try to set OCI record with it bcs. your engine is shearing oil a lot. Maybe 3k at most.
After that bump viscosity. Motul Sport 5W50, 300V, Mobil1 5W50, Redline 5W50. Choose your "poison."

Thank you Edycol. I'll use up the Red Line 5w40 and then see how it analyzes after another 2K run. At least that'll get some thicker oil in there before I decide on the RL or MSE 5w50.

[JamesGames]

Seems like the S55 shears oil down easily / fuel dilutes easily. I can't decide which one more than the other or maybe both. Here's my UOA from earlier this year I thought I shared but I guess I didn't.

Castrol 0w40 @ 2100 miles

Flash point and viscosity aren't that great (indicates fuel dilution). I did do a lot of shorter trips, frequent WOT runs and numerous canyons runs (likely 1/5th of the miles were canyon runs), but I am also stock tune / with a oil catch can.

Besides that the UOA looks fine - I just wouldn't run this oil long either because of the flashpoint/viscosity. Doubt that there will be any issues if I pushed it longer but since I do all the oil changes my self I don't mind (every 1-1.5years). I have Ravenol 0w40 SSL in right now, will run similar mileage and run another UOA to see how this oil did.

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Here's my first Blackstone+TBN on the Motul 8100 G2 5w40 that I ran for about 3500mi. I'm a bit concerned that Lead is high and they want me to watch for bearing wear/knock. Hmmmmmmmm.

I've never seen lead in my UOA before for my F8Xs.. I'd monitor that on shorter runs personally.

[PhatLyfe]

my oil change is due very soon,, I'm currently using oil from the dealership 0w-40, is there a equivalent as someone mentioned BMW does not make oil. I rather purchase the oil and filter and do it myself.

[edycol]

Originally Posted by PhatLyfe

my oil change is due very soon,, I'm currently using oil from the dealership 0w-40, is there a equivalent as someone mentioned BMW does not make oil. I rather purchase the oil and filter and do it myself.

N/S55 can use oils that don't have LL01 approval.
Castrol 0W40 would be my go to if 0W40 is imperative.

[PhatLyfe]

Originally Posted by edycol

N/S55 can use oils that don't have LL01 approval.
Castrol 0W40 would be my go to if 0W40 is imperative.

Thanks for the quick reply, I don't use my car in the colder months because of summer tires. Is it safe to use the 5w-40 Castile edge?