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11-20-2020, 09:47 PM | #67 | |
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I'm actually kicking myself for selling my Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro right before this Covid crap started. Probably could've gotten $3-$4K more for it since Used Values went up. In my experience, the M3/M4 value has held fairly well if you purchased at a good price. I made money on all of my ///M's after owning each one for no longer than 2 years. Very rare to find a car that gives you that kind of flexibility. |
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I purchased an F80 because it is a jack of all trade. It is a luxurious sport sedan that does well on the track and drag strip. I'm not sure what is the constant hate about people dragging their cars from track enthusiasts. Different strokes for different people. People say the GTR is never about drag racing. Guess what? There are 6 seconds GTR.
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Others have said it, but the CS is the top of the line for the F8x generation without any tuning straight from the factory. New model is losing the DCT, bigger, heavier. All these cars will depreciate until perhaps all new cars are only offered as hybrid or electric only, but the CS version will depreciate less than the others. Next version of the CS will be the G8x variant and while they will likely fix the front and quarter panel lines, no way will they add a DCT back or lose the 300+# it needs to lose, so this one is still unique. Following version of the M3/4 will be hybrids...they have to be barring any major changes in fuel economy which won't happen in Europe. I think this one is the "peak" for the non-hybrid M3/M4s....apologize if I have written off the G8x but I have...don't think that one is salvageable...
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True, your GTS is correct and I apologize for the transgression! Clearly GTS is top of the line but I consider that a track car that definitely requires some setup from factory to dial in. Also very limited compared to the other variants and wasn't available to the "masses"....thats in a class of its own for sure and has the best ability to appreciate over time...but for whatever reason in my mind it occupies its own container separate from the other F8x's...
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M4 CS is closer in philosophy to the original CSL which focused on lightweight construction but with practicality.
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As you mentioned, the later CS adopters already had the 1st year depreciation absorbed by the heavy discounts, from that perspective it hardly depreciated at all, making the M4cs a seriously good "buy." |
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the s55 cs vs. s55 comp isn't that different. then for weight. e46 comp pack is about 3600lb vs 3100lb for the csl. the interior of the csl has special seats carbon door cards carbon roof, carbon center console. special rear seats etc. I think of bmw felt the f80 cs was that special they would have called it an m3 csl.
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thing is you can code the suspension and steering. looks are subjective but things like the wheels and lip and others are easily swapped. so in the end it's not that special besides being labeled a CS. early reviews true but in future looking back many won't care as much
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Nine years later a DCT LRP is more $ than 6MT ZCP CS is a similar formula - different enough and limited enough to always be desired SMB CS with a friends 6MT LRP today |
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It's supposed to be 15kg lighter than M4 comp which is already a relatively light car for one with E39 M5 dimensions. E46 back then was a heavy car nearing 1500kg curb so it wasn't as challenging as M4 to cut weight that had to satisfy much more stringent safety standards while retaining 40,000 NM/deg torsional rigidity. Bottom line: F8x base was too good of a car. BMW likely hated that customers got more than its worth and cut the cost big this time.
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In some technical BMW brief somewhere, which may as well be hieroglyphics to YouTube lemmings who ooh and ahh over cf parts, the following things under hood/skin have been improved/incorporated BY FACTORY M ENGINEERS for the M4 CS. Someone check me on this please. Return of the magnesium oil sump (I recall BMW ditched these very early on in the F8X lifecycle for reasons unknown) For certain CF driveshaft (later production runs featured steel shafts) Increased lateral g oil supply (up to 1.4-6g justified by the stickier Sport Cup 2s) CS specific DCT, engine, diff and suspension mapping Interestingly, the CS actually sits a tiny bit taller than the regular ZCP equivalent. People who mind the details will most def find value in the CS model or an M in general. It's the motorsport engineering that shines through when the car is put through its paces. There is a reason why at the world's most demanding track that is the N'ring you see Ms above all else. The F8X is arguably the most durable and reliable M car of all time if not for the foreseeable pure ICE future which is curtains post G gen. Check the Apex rental car company videos. F8X is their workhorse of choice and the M4 CS is undeniably the apex of its gen. Else just buy an AMG, Alfa Quad, Audi RS for mall crawler and cute hwy flex duties.
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there was a GTS that sold for 70k not too long ago on BaT and had pretty much no miles.
https://bringatrailer.com/search/m4+gts/ these cars MSRP'd for 130. Majority of F80 buyers want a street car. And if you want a track car there are much better options for the money than the GTS. In a couple years i think we'll see everything level out. CS = GTS > ZCP 6MT > Base 6MT > ZCP DCT > Base DCT. The CS cars will always command a premium due to the body kit / wheels / low production, especially the M4 due to the tail lights. But the difference between a zcp manual and CS will be like 5-7k. all things being equal.
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Also, lol at “CS = GTS”, not even close. A CS wasn’t even in consideration when I was shopping. Those will depreciate a lot more in the years to come imo. Not special enough and they made too many.
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How many did they end up making? If it’s more than a couple thousand it’s not really collectible (if you’re into that sort of thing). Cars have to be really limited to be considered collectibles, and even then it’s not assured. So I wouldn’t assume any sort of collectibility will help buoy values for the CS.
My GTS is the perfect example, the first owner paid $135k for it and they only made 800 worldwide, it’s now in the $80s used (with low miles). By your logic it should’ve retained a lot more value. Why would you assume the CS would depreciate less? A car that’s less special, with much higher production numbers?
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I dont know the final number (it was posted somewhere on the forum) but as you may have noticed with gts prices they dipped to the 70k range now good luck finding one for that price. I believe they are starting to appreciate now. As for the CS no more than 2500 were made worldwide and as with every collectible car the value dips then goes up. The gts is 4 years old now. Given the same time frame for the cs i can see this car being up there in price.
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