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Removing the tune is akin to the right to remain silent. The purpose isn't too help a criminal get away with a crime, but to stop an otherwise innocent person from falsely incriminating themself.
Imagine if all the N54 guys left their tunes in when the hpfp failed? BMW would undoubtedly blame the fault on the piggyback. |
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the ECU comes in, leaves the same day with UPS express
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12-16-2014, 08:13 AM | #93 |
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I am still trying to understand the convenience factor that this offers over currently available piggies that can be installed within 10 minutes. It can be done at any time and a basic pump gas tune requires connecting 2 cables. Flashes virtually had no realm in the n54 world until hand held tuners were released.
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I agree with DMK's comments. flashing is a desired option for many reasons. additionally, to get the full benefit of a piggy you need to spend a lot more than 10 minutes hooking it up. tapping into wires etc. I personally prefer to have all of the parameters changed via a flash to work in concert with each other, rather than having boost modified and having the rest sort itself out. its a more comprehensive solution IMO. and no, this is not an invite for debate. I have experienced each for myself on previous BMW cars, and have formed my opinion based on my experiences. yours may be different, no reason to discuss here and go OT. the flash is an important first step, and while at the moment there is no hand held flasher, you can bet your bottom dollar its coming. I lol'd when people said this car would never be flashed, and just like that I will predict hand held flashers to be available.
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Neither of you answered the ultimate question... ease of install and convenience.
The tuner installed flashes offer neither one of these. The way the tune works is a completely different discussion and aside from this convo. As I said previously, the N54 world had virtually a 0 take rate on flashes until hand helds were available and user customizability was offered.
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I have installed these piggies before. you touch one thing wrong with a screwdriver, make a scratch, mark up a wire, mess up or scratch the tabs on anything, and the dealer can use that against you. I have seen it with friends of mine, seen the dealer in action. a flash at a local dealer is easy and convenient. also less risk for a faulty install, and easier to troubleshoot should something not look right. plus, dynoing and data logging on the spot is an added bonus
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this is why I said to get full functionality in a previous post. stage 1 is not something I would run personally, for many reasons. but OT so......
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they don't care about those laws, and will not perform the work. again, this isn't theory, its what actually happened to multiple people and myself on a very weird issue on a previous car. you wouldn't believe the shit they made up (IE that I tapped into o2 sensor wires to tune the car, as if that's how a tune is connected to the car). I asked for documentation, and they said "yeah well, we cant do any work sorry". so, at the end of the day, it puts you in a tough spot. not all dealers are the same, but this is how some of ours are. :twocents: EDIT : imo all tuning solutions and mods carry risks depending on your dealer and how much they want to make things up or look into things. my car is stock for these reasons. but that's a personal choice, and if I did mod I would be aware of the risks like I know you and most others here are |
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Yes, a tune would definitely be the easy way out for BMW in a warranty claim. No argument there. It's just the business ethics of this "we will remove any trace" policy that is interesting. As we all know, BMW also reads forums and keep track of what happens in the tuning industry. They also have intelligent software developers that might have built in detection systems that we don't know about etc. My worry is that this might be used against the tuning industry and lead to strict policing and legislation... |
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hopefully GIAC also gets this tech. one of my local shops that I like to use is a GIAC dealer.
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