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[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by YMB_M3

I'd appreciate that, I'm running in the intermediate group. I'm assuming you'll be in the advanced?

Yes. I'll be there with a few others so swing by. I'll be the black sedan 86.

[YMB_M3]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

Yes. I'll be there with a few others so swing by. I'll be the black sedan 86.

Awesome, I'll see you out there

[redpriest]

Originally Posted by YMB_M3

I'm thinking I should do the same soon so that I don't develop any bad habits that euro mdm may be masking. Plus tracking with everything off looks way more fun... My biggest fear is spinning at a high speed and rolling by the left kink before phil hill and also the left before bus stop. I'll probably give it a go half way through the day on the 26th, we'll see how it turns out. Maybe I'll get track insurance for the first time.

In the E92, at least, Euro MDM was very helpful to me. It let me get accustomed to feeling the car start to slip out from underneath me, and react to it by countersteering and correcting. I couldn't be sure it was me doing the "saving", but it got me in the mindframe. Having feedback also in the form of the light flashing on the dash to let me know I was at the limit was helpful too.

Such that, when I did exactly what M3 Number 86 did, went full DSC off, went slower than my MDM time on, but it built my confidence in that when the car started to slip, the practice I had "correcting" the steering was valid. I incrementally started increasing speed.

I did have that spin right before bus stop, haha, but I think going back and watching it, I reacted far too slowly when the car started to slide until it was not recoverable.

[redpriest]

Originally Posted by YMB_M3

Awesome, I'll see you out there. I've watched quite a few of your Buttonwillow videos on youtube and am excited to see some of those slides in person!


Seeing those make me want to start driving with traction completely off rather than euro mdm... I've been practicing car control with my G27/Gran Turismo 5 simulator at home but have way less to lose playing that game haha.

For me, my experience with GT5/Forza 6 has been hilariously opposite. I can countersteer and correct bad things from happening immediately in my real car, but there is no proper feel even with a force feedback steering wheel and racing chair/pedals. I guess I can feel when the car is about to slide just from the feeling I get in my seat that just doesn't apply. I cannot control slides at all in GT5/Forza 6

[Billj747]

Sebring 2:26.7
Bone stock M4, CCB, ContiSportContact 5P

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by redpriest

In the E92, at least, Euro MDM was very helpful to me. It let me get accustomed to feeling the car start to slip out from underneath me, and react to it by countersteering and correcting. I couldn't be sure it was me doing the "saving", but it got me in the mindframe. Having feedback also in the form of the light flashing on the dash to let me know I was at the limit was helpful too.

Such that, when I did exactly what M3 Number 86 did, went full DSC off, went slower than my MDM time on, but it built my confidence in that when the car started to slip, the practice I had "correcting" the steering was valid. I incrementally started increasing speed.

I did have that spin right before bus stop, haha, but I think going back and watching it, I reacted far too slowly when the car started to slide until it was not recoverable.

We are all trying to get better. I'm not the fastest but I'm pretty good at car control lol.

[YMB_M3]

Originally Posted by redpriest

For me, my experience with GT5/Forza 6 has been hilariously opposite. I can countersteer and correct bad things from happening immediately in my real car, but there is no proper feel even with a force feedback steering wheel and racing chair/pedals. I guess I can feel when the car is about to slide just from the feeling I get in my seat that just doesn't apply. I cannot control slides at all in GT5/Forza 6

I usually rely on tire sound and just the direction the car is facing, as soon as I can see any slip I am quick to correct as I've found that it's really easy to correct late and spin in GT5. Here's a video of me applying some of that GT5 to real life at the Balcony at Willow Springs following a track day at Streets.That was the only time I've been on a skid pad and it was a lot of fun. I definitely want to go back out there again to do a drift day.

[JMon]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Sebring 2:26.7
Bone stock M4, CCB, ContiSportContact 5P

That is an incredibly good Sebring time for a car with stock tires!
I was expecting a 2:30 at best!
You must have been driving it exceptionally well.

How did the tires hold up? Where you on stock alignment specs?

[BMW M4 PWR]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Sebring 2:26.7
Bone stock M4, CCB, ContiSportContact 5P

X 2* ...That's smokin'!!

[Billj747]

Thanks guys

Stock car/alignment, fairly new Conti 5P, great weather, tires held up great. While the Contis tend to chunk on hot days, they are still pretty fast when new, and in cold weather I was surprised with their durability and consistency.

Id like to back to back 5P & PSS, but in cool weather I'm not sure how much faster the PSS would be, which are significantly faster and more durable on hot days.

..still slower than a stock Hellcat (2:25.8)

[BMW M4 PWR]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Thanks guys

Stock car/alignment, fairly new Conti 5P, great weather, tires held up great. While the Contis tend to chunk on hot days, they are still pretty fast when new, and in cold weather I was surprised with their durability and consistency.

..still slower than a stock Hellcat (2:25.8)

Jesus Christ! Less than a second separating you from a 700+HP car on a total horsepower-oriented track? Very impressive I'd say. You'da probably beat or matched it just swapping back the stock PSS's..

[Billj747]

I dont really like the term "horsepower track" or "handling track", but I digress; the M4 was within 4mph of the HC (which is almost 1,000lbs heavier, an aero brick, has long gears and slower than DCT shifts) on the back straight, so the HC had to have decent cornering speeds...

[YMB_M3]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Sebring 2:26.7
Bone stock M4, CCB, ContiSportContact 5P

Great stuff! I'd love to watch that lap. Do you have any videos of it by any chance?
I'm also curious to what time you'd be able to get in the same stock M4 running Buttonwillow 13CW

[Billj747]

Unfortunately not since the M4 & Hellcat were last minute laps. I'll let you know when I'm in town

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by JMon

That is an incredibly good Sebring time for a car with stock tires!
I was expecting a 2:30 at best!
You must have been driving it exceptionally well.

How did the tires hold up? Where you on stock alignment specs?

You could say that...professional driver, aka winner of the opening round of Continental Tire Series at Daytona.

[PrimeBMW]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Thanks guys

Stock car/alignment, fairly new Conti 5P, great weather, tires held up great. While the Contis tend to chunk on hot days, they are still pretty fast when new, and in cold weather I was surprised with their durability and consistency.

Id like to back to back 5P & PSS, but in cool weather I'm not sure how much faster the PSS would be, which are significantly faster and more durable on hot days.

..still slower than a stock Hellcat (2:25.8)

Any times in the GT350R or even GT350R-C?

[Billj747]

Have not tested there in the RC, I'll let you know tomorrow but judging by the IMSA test last month, it should be in the 2:16-17 range. In most of the testing and development, the 350R street car was within a second or two of the 350RC on numerous tracks. So I'd guess sub 20s.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Have not tested there in the RC, I'll let you know tomorrow but judging by the IMSA test last month, it should be in the 2:16-17 range. In most of the testing and development, the 350R street car was within a second or two of the 350RC on numerous tracks. So I'd guess sub 20s.

Isn't the max tire size in GS class 275/35/18?

[Billj747]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Isn't the max tire size in GS class 275/35/18?

Correct.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Correct.

Good luck this weekend at Sebring.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by PrimeBMW

Any times in the GT350R or even GT350R-C?

GT350R-C did a 2:16.8 yesterday.

[PrimeBMW]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

GT350R-C did a 2:16.8 yesterday.

I saw that. Impressive..........that the street car is only a few seconds off. Billy, is that with identical tires?