World Premiere: BMW M4 Coupe Concept

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by W///

The 4 Series being a bigger has absolutely nothing to do with the M department

And I can almost guarantee that the CF bits will be available from the dealership. Apart from those extra CF bits, stripes on the roof, this is pretty much what you would be able to get from the show room, which I'm perfectly OK with.

But I do agree that we need some vibrant colors available as standard and not having to go Individual

Could you please elaborate how the 4 series being larger and having grown, has nothing to do with the M department? The M4 is built off the generic 4 series. It's overall size is the same if not larger due to the larger fenders. Are you insinuating that this car will in fact be lighter than its 428i/435i counterpart? That's a bold assumption and will be equally heavy, possibly heavier. Yes, it is true, BMW did target E46 M3 weight, but that does not mean they have reached that target by any measure, its merely a goal.

The carbon pieces pictured here are NOT on the test cars. This car is a concept. Whether they are available through the dealer as an option after the car is produced is a null argument. We are talking about these items being factory production pieces that are installed during vehicle production, and not being installed as stylized cosmetic pieces much like the BMW Performance parts.

As swamp2 has also stated, which I feel is spot on, for the price range this M4 is now reaching, it has some serious competition to deal with now such as the 911. It is not about being better than the E92 M3, because "better" is both subjective and objective. As esquire mentioned, yes, it will without a doubt be faster in a straight line 0-60. What long time M owners and enthusiasts want to know is, with the introduction of T/C newly being used on M cars, how will these cars fare at the track. Will it be as seamless and perfect as the E92 S65 powered car? Will it have more overall grip than a stock E92 M3? Sure it will, it will have wider rubber and more advanced dampening control. Will it have better brakes? Sure it will, they are moving over to fixed multi piston systems (something they should have done over 12 years ago with the introduction of the E46M3).

The car is now not competing against its predecessor, it is competing against some seriously good cars. Will the "GTS" or "CSL" variant that will undoubtedly come out in a few years time be good enough to compete with a 991 GT3 Porsche?

Now for some 3 series history, BMW has always built its 3 series platform in 2's. E21 & E30. E36 & E46. E92 & F82, much like how Apple and it's iPhones. If you work on these cars long enough and know the ins and outs of their underpinnings, this becomes further apparent. The major change will come after the F82. The F82 is an evolution of the E92. Question is, is this evolution good enough to beat out its new competition for it's unquestionably higher price in comparison to its predecessor?

As many have mentioned in different ways, driving is not always about being the fastest car, or knowing you have the fastest car, its greatly about feeling great, exhilarated and joy. This is where we all want to see if the new M will deliver in comparison to its predecessor. The S65 is undoubtedly one of the greatest power plants in production level motoring, period. Can a tweaked N55 deliver here? Let's wait and see.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by JEllis

I will be the first to admit that its easy to "throw stones" once a new M is announced. In the end the new car is a, on paper, measurable improvement over all previous generations. That being said, this is a digital M3 when all previous generations were mostly analogue. I miss NA motors in these cars and I am sad to see them go. I will also miss simplicity... These new generation of Ms are very complex and thus you have to question the longevity, read reliability, of this platform.

Nice to hear from you. It's been a while. Still rolling the P car?

Not quite sure I get what you mean about the digital/analog analogy?

[BMWRL]

Originally Posted by Number

Some colors.

Valencia Orange
Space Gray
Blue

Lowered of course.

.....

I MEAN!!!!

[Zen]

omfg! Loving that colour.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Malek@MRF

Could you please elaborate how the 4 series being larger and having grown, has nothing to do with the M department? The M4 is built off the generic 4 series. It's overall size is the same if not larger due to the larger fenders. Are you insinuating that this car will in fact be lighter than its 428i/435i counterpart? That's a bold assumption and will be equally heavy, possibly heavier. Yes, it is true, BMW did target E46 M3 weight, but that does not mean they have reached that target by any measure, its merely a goal.

The carbon pieces pictured here are NOT on the test cars. This car is a concept. Whether they are available through the dealer as an option after the car is produced is a null argument. We are talking about these items being factory production pieces that are installed during vehicle production, and not being installed as stylized cosmetic pieces much like the BMW Performance parts.

As swamp2 has also stated, which I feel is spot on, for the price range this M4 is now reaching, it has some serious competition to deal with now such as the 911. It is not about being better than the E92 M3, because "better" is both subjective and objective. As esquire mentioned, yes, it will without a doubt be faster in a straight line 0-60. What long time M owners and enthusiasts want to know is, with the introduction of T/C newly being used on M cars, how will these cars fare at the track. Will it be as seamless and perfect as the E92 S65 powered car? Will it have more overall grip than a stock E92 M3? Sure it will, it will have wider rubber and more advanced dampening control. Will it have better brakes? Sure it will, they are moving over to fixed multi piston systems (something they should have done over 12 years ago with the introduction of the E46M3).

The car is now not competing against its predecessor, it is competing against some seriously good cars. Will the "GTS" or "CSL" variant that will undoubtedly come out in a few years time be good enough to compete with a 991 GT3 Porsche?

Now for some 3 series history, BMW has always built its 3 series platform in 2's. E21 & E30. E36 & E46. E92 & F82. The major change will come after the F82. The F82 is an evolution of the E92. Question is, is this evolution good enough to beat out its new competition for it's unquestionably higher price in comparison to its predecessor?

What you said:
The car is looking a LOT larger than the E92 predecessor and this is a major let down from BMW M.
How so? That's the AG side of BMW that made the 4er bigger than the E92, not M. Now if you said this is a major let down from BMW AG, then I would have said anything.

It's obvious that with the higher moniker, the car has become equally larger.
Don't disagree with you, but again, this has nothing to do with the guys at Garching.


Then you said these CF pieces will not make it to production. I was just saying that it will, just not standard. Maybe we are just talking technicalities here. IMHO, it's different when we are talking about the 4er bumper and headlight that everyone should have known would never make production vs CF trims that is almost guaranteed will be available as accessories.

As for the car moving up in price, I agree that it's creeping into scary territories. But at the same time, if we want to talk 991, then I could argue that Porsche moved their prices up too. A base 991 with ZERO options $84k, while the Carrera S starts at $99k. IMHO, there's enough of a cushion still. Now if you want to start comparing it to cars like the C7 Stingray, then yes I will concur. But at the same time, the C7 puts pretty much every German sports car (whether from Audi, BMW, MB or Porsche) to shame in terms of performance vs $, so this is not really anything new either.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by nytrus112

I'm sure it does. That would be a pretty ridiculous step backwards.

None of the M3/M4 test cars have LED rear turn signals. Wait for the LCI for MY2016, you'll get your LED rear turn signals

[FogCityM3]

While I love the design of this, and without question the M4 will outperform the previous gen, what is worrisome is can the experience and feel of the car be materially improved upon. For $5k, on the current M3s, you can get a tune, intake, exhaust, and pulley that will get you to 430-450 hp, servotronic modifications, coding of all available bells and whistles and have a pretty raw, visceral, high-revving, F1- like experience feels 'perfect' and is no longer being replicated for the price as everyone is moving to FI. Sure you'll be able to tune the new guy with more boost, but would it offer the same balanced combination of all elements in one package combining sight, sound, feel and joy? Will be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

[InTheNightKitchen]

U2 City of Blinding Lights - The more you know the less you feel!

Thank you Bono... so true

Ok, I think being a car enthusiast is a good and bad thing, but the desire to stay current can dull the sensation down the line. I think I'm going to visit this site and any other sites of hobbies I have every six months so things seem fresh. I'm not wowed or impress at all. I don't really like it

1. The constant updates starting from the 4Series concept, which was perfect, but the production vehicle looked nothing like that. Very disappointing, it was like catching your wife or girlfriend cheating on you and witnessing that she was enjoying herself way too much. Heartbroken!

2. The production vehicle imo doesn't look good unless it has M-sport and even then, that is not enough it needs all the BMW accessories to look right.

3. The renders from car mags to fellow posters with the actual front bumper we see now didn't help. The camo also revealing the shape of the front bumper. So the front end of the M4 concept is of now surprise.

4. The side profile doesn't look much different then a regular 4 series to me. They did integrate the side vent much better but I still don't like it. All they did was move it up actually.

5. I've said it a million times already, I hate the shape of those taillights. Very X6ish

6. That rear bumper is slightly different from the 4 series BMW accessory rear bumper.

7. The first picture on the BP homepage and in the thread ruined it for me. The gap on the front fender makes it look like an SUV

8. Whoever said it needs vents is correct, the hood just looks like it's missing something, whether the vent was integrated into the dome or on the sides like theE9X

Of course driving feel, looking at the production version in person, and many other factors contribute to the overall car. But I'm not feeling it, and that really bothers me.

I miss this even though it's a render, I like the side vent like this, and I could tolerate the rear tails if they were exactly like this.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by JEllis

I will be the first to admit that its easy to "throw stones" once a new M is announced. In the end the new car is a, on paper, measurable improvement over all previous generations. That being said, this is a digital M3 when all previous generations were mostly analogue. I miss NA motors in these cars and I am sad to see them go. I will also miss simplicity... These new generation of Ms are very complex and thus you have to question the longevity, read reliability, of this platform.

+1

Not that this will be a bad car. In fact it will be one hell of a street car.

Simply it is an end to an era. Not just with BMW, other brands as well.

[btv764]

[BwoodBMW]

Originally Posted by Malek@MRF

Could you please elaborate how the 4 series being larger and having grown, has nothing to do with the M department? The M4 is built off the generic 4 series. It's overall size is the same if not larger due to the larger fenders. Are you insinuating that this car will in fact be lighter than its 428i/435i counterpart? That's a bold assumption and will be equally heavy, possibly heavier. Yes, it is true, BMW did target E46 M3 weight, but that does not mean they have reached that target by any measure, its merely a goal.

The carbon pieces pictured here are NOT on the test cars. This car is a concept. Whether they are available through the dealer as an option after the car is produced is a null argument. We are talking about these items being factory production pieces that are installed during vehicle production, and not being installed as stylized cosmetic pieces much like the BMW Performance parts.

As swamp2 has also stated, which I feel is spot on, for the price range this M4 is now reaching, it has some serious competition to deal with now such as the 911. It is not about being better than the E92 M3, because "better" is both subjective and objective. As esquire mentioned, yes, it will without a doubt be faster in a straight line 0-60. What long time M owners and enthusiasts want to know is, with the introduction of T/C newly being used on M cars, how will these cars fare at the track. Will it be as seamless and perfect as the E92 S65 powered car? Will it have more overall grip than a stock E92 M3? Sure it will, it will have wider rubber and more advanced dampening control. Will it have better brakes? Sure it will, they are moving over to fixed multi piston systems (something they should have done over 12 years ago with the introduction of the E46M3).

The car is now not competing against its predecessor, it is competing against some seriously good cars. Will the "GTS" or "CSL" variant that will undoubtedly come out in a few years time be good enough to compete with a 991 GT3 Porsche?

Now for some 3 series history, BMW has always built its 3 series platform in 2's. E21 & E30. E36 & E46. E92 & F82. The major change will come after the F82. The F82 is an evolution of the E92. Question is, is this evolution good enough to beat out its new competition for it's unquestionably higher price in comparison to its predecessor?

As many have mentioned in different ways, driving is not always about being the fastest car, or knowing you have the fastest car, its greatly about feeling great, exhilarated and joy. This is where we all want to see if the new M will deliver in comparison to its predecessor. The S65 is undoubtedly one of the greatest power plants in production level motoring, period. Can a tweaked N55 deliver here? Let's wait and see.

ummm.... I'd say this is a pretty major change... tough to make a bigger change than what they have done from e92 - f82. NA v8 to (tri???) turbo I6?

[catalyst]

hot damn!!!

[mxa121]

Originally Posted by ///Megalomaniac

Here we go! https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=SiXx_KvkyGY

Nice!
Sounds pretty good, maybe not v8 good, but good nonetheless

[DrakeKemper]

[uhn2000]

^^^ Crazy.. btw what happened to the M3 ?? Are they also releasing info on that tonight?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by DrakeKemper

man that looks good. look at that quarter panel.

[Race_Doc11]

I'm not a fan of the 1M front style it looks too busy for me. Also the mirrors don’t look right. I like the looks of the exhaust tips but they might just be for the concept version. I have to see the production car in person first before making my mind. Until then my first impression is no

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by DrakeKemper

A big thank you and win for you sir. First actual "private" pic posted on the forum.

[Blindside_137]

Yea. I liked the mirror and fenders better from the concept reder in silver.

[samer670]

Ill reserve judgement until I see pictures snapped with a regular digital camera. Those pics always make the car look better than these studio pics.

[mxa121]

Nice first real pic!

Sweet M1 in the background.

[W12x]

Originally Posted by Technic

A loaded E92 M3 was about $77,225, before any Individual or Special Edition options.

This M4 will be offering HUD ($1300), Active safety and parking features (~$2000), CC brakes (~8000), LED headlights ($1900), Bang & Olufsen Top HiFi ($4500) and possibly CF seats (~$3500, if offered in the USA) and Individual Composition ($6000) with a Full Leather Merino complement (+~$2000). None of these options offered in the E92 M3.

I would say that this baby will cross the $100,000 MSRP fully loaded without a sweat.

At that price I'd take a GT-R or C7 Z06 over F82 M4