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      11-14-2019, 10:32 PM   #1
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I found out that the M3 I bought had its warranty voided due to tune by prior owner

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I took over a BMW M3 back in 2017 from another lessee. Little did I know, the previous lessee had placed a chip or some kind of mod that has voided the warranty. I had no idea about the mod and now I am starting to freak out because I have to turn in the car in a couple of weeks. Luckily, the car has no failed parts, is in perfect condition (both the engine and the actual body), and works just fine It has about 23k miles on it even though I was allotted 36k.

I'm just curious if anyone has been in this position before and can offer some words of advice? Hell I don't mind if its a couple grand to get it out of my hair, I'm just worried BMW is about to hit me with an astronomical fee even though the car is in good condition. Any suggestion or words of experience is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
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      11-14-2019, 10:37 PM   #2
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They could force you to buy the car out, how did you figured out the warranty is voided? Usually cars gets only flagged means in a warranty case the BMW guys gonna dig deeper into it.
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If the warranty was voided due to the previous lesee then you should be able to show it was done while it was possessed by another individual. You shouldn't be responsible for that if you can prove you didn't do it. If the warranty was voided while in your possession then I think it's a bit of caveat emptor situation. No idea on fees though, haven't been through that before.
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      11-14-2019, 11:19 PM   #5
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If the warranty was voided due to the previous lesee then you should be able to show it was done while it was possessed by another individual. You shouldn't be responsible for that if you can prove you didn't do it. If the warranty was voided while in your possession then I think it's a bit of caveat emptor situation. No idea on fees though, haven't been through that before.
So BMW knew the car was flagged when I took over (I have proof) but they failed to notify me about it, I have it in writing that the previous lessee (who also happened to be a manager at BMW) expressly told me that the car had no mods or anything. I found out about the voided warranty because I took the car in to a 3rd party leasing company to get a new BMW while turning the M3 slightly early. They called me 3 weeks later saying the warranty is voided and that they're returning it to me.

I don't think I've heard the words, "caveat emptor" since I was in law school...
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I guess the car has been flagged, the warranty hasn't been voided definitively yet. This is all news to me, it'd kill me if I had to buy the car out.
I guess the car has been flagged, the warranty hasn't been voided definitively yet. This is all news to me, it'd kill me if I had to buy the car out.
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      11-15-2019, 01:11 AM   #7
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That was my concern when I assumed the lease on my M3. I had a PPI at a BMW dealer and specifically asked for them to check if was tuned. That would have been a deal breaker if it was.
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So BMW knew the car was flagged when I took over (I have proof) but they failed to notify me about it, I have it in writing that the previous lessee (who also happened to be a manager at BMW) expressly told me that the car had no mods or anything. I found out about the voided warranty because I took the car in to a 3rd party leasing company to get a new BMW while turning the M3 slightly early. They called me 3 weeks later saying the warranty is voided and that they're returning it to me.

I don't think I've heard the words, "caveat emptor" since I was in law school...
I'm no lawyer but I assume if you have proof that the previous owner stated there were no mods, and you can prove nothing has been done whilst you've been the owner, then you have a fairly strong case of no recourse.

That being said - it might be worth checking what tune is on there as many tuners should be able to flash the DME back to stock and re-lock it (I know this is possible with Bootmod3). I'm not 100% on dealer processes as I don't work there but, from things I've read online, if the car has been put back to a stock tune and the DME has been re-locked, the only way to tell if the car has been previously tuned is to send off the data files to Germany and have them inspect it; which I can't imagine they will do on a lease return, especially if that car is in good condition and looks like it has been looked after.

Again don't take my word for gospel, but it's definitely worth looking into having a tuner, or an OTS system like Bootmod3, put the car back onto the stock tune and re-lock the DME.
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If you have a way to get back in touch with him, tell the previous owner he needs to help deal with the lease return and you have documentation that proves the car was flagged when you took it over. It might not just be a liability problem for him, but an employment problem if this blows up so maybe it’s in his best interest to help resolve it. Since he works at a BMW dealership or BMW he may be the one to resolve.
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This situation sucks. But I think you made a hilarious choice of a user name for someone that hasnít modded. Good luck bm3maniac.
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This situation sucks. But I think you made a hilarious choice of a user name for someone that hasn't modded. Good luck bm3maniac.
I know right, it's like OJ selecting "Jack The Ripper" as his handle, all while still searching for the 'real' killer..
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Bummer OP. Curious what they would do if the car is retuned bone stock. Keep us updated!
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I know right, it's like OJ selecting "Jack The Ripper" as his handle, all while still searching for the 'real' killer..
I think he wrote a book about it once, so youre not far off.
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Fuck it man, plausible deniability. They have to prove you tuned it but by your SN I would think you tuned it and our now playing possum but that's just me and some other users on this thread. lol
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Fuck it man, plausible deniability. They have to prove you tuned it but by your SN I would think you tuned it and our now playing possum but that's just me and some other users on this thread. lol
To be truthful, I didn't. I took over the lease from a user here on bimmerpost.
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If the warranty was voided due to the previous lesee then you should be able to show it was done while it was possessed by another individual. You shouldn't be responsible for that if you can prove you didn't do it. If the warranty was voided while in your possession then I think it's a bit of caveat emptor situation. No idea on fees though, haven't been through that before.
So BMW knew the car was flagged when I took over (I have proof) but they failed to notify me about it, I have it in writing that the previous lessee (who also happened to be a manager at BMW) expressly told me that the car had no mods or anything. I found out about the voided warranty because I took the car in to a 3rd party leasing company to get a new BMW while turning the M3 slightly early. They called me 3 weeks later saying the warranty is voided and that they're returning it to me.

I don't think I've heard the words, "caveat emptor" since I was in law school...
If you have this documented take it with you to bmw. There should be no penalty to you as you were misled.
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This post reminds me of the clearly haunted house that was for sale that had 'not haunted' on the For Sale sign.

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