RC-F or M4?

[Fender150]

Now i have to say something guys.
After doing the 1200 mile service and hammering it a bit. Zcp m4, i came to the
Conclusion that its not actually that fast, and is
In need of a tune

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by Fender150

Now i have to say something guys.
After doing the 1200 mile service and hammering it a bit. Zcp m4, i came to the
Conclusion that its not actually that fast, and is
In need of a tune

Man I don't know what you are expecting? But considering it's faster than 99.9% of cars on the road, you must have a high bar for what is "fast." Maybe just get a hellcat so you can feel fast? That's just my take.

[Rox335i]

Originally Posted by Fender150

Now i have to say something guys.
After doing the 1200 mile service and hammering it a bit. Zcp m4, i came to the
Conclusion that its not actually that fast, and is
In need of a tune

Why does your car need to be "fast"? Your not planning to floor it every red light are you? And you might want to fix your profile "F80 M4".

[NYBulldog]

It doesn't need a tune, its great out of the box... but with a tune I will attest that it feels fantastic.

[Fender150]

Originally Posted by Rox335i

Why does your car need to be "fast"? Your not planning to floor it every red light are you? And you might want to fix your profile "F80 M4".

Yeh thanks i didnt notice that f80 part lol!

I dont floor it that way on public roads but i guess i was expecting the more so raw feel people describe about the f80/f82 when they were first introduced.

[allinon72]

Originally Posted by Fender150

Now i have to say something guys.
After doing the 1200 mile service and hammering it a bit. Zcp m4, i came to the
Conclusion that its not actually that fast, and is
In need of a tune

You may be the first owner ever to say this.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Rox335i

Already have a 2014 335i. I doubt there will be a big difference between a m4 and a 335i?

yes, they look (almost) the same. It is all one big scam

[heyandrew1]

The only way to 'tune' RC-F is to supercharged, and the suspension is tooooooo soft, like a RX. Do some test drive you will understand RC-F and M4 can't comparable. It have to get a lot of chassis upgrades before going to track day. If you really want a V8 engine, i suggest you get a E92 M3 or C63S.

[4everkidd]

Originally Posted by heyandrew1

The only way to 'tune' RC-F is to supercharged, and the suspension is tooooooo soft, like a RX. Do some test drive you will understand RC-F and M4 can't comparable. It have to get a lot of chassis upgrades before going to track day. If you really want a V8 engine, i suggest you get a E92 M3 or C63S.

Wow... you literally have no clue what you're talking about.

1) the RCf can be "tuned", however it's NA so a tune doesn't yield the same results as FI
2) the RCf is extremely responsive to FBO.
3) the RCF is very track worthy out of the box; check track and lap times. It's heavy; that's its downfall. A set of Penske's or Ohlin's, new front bushings and you're set.

Comparing it to an RX? Obviously you've never driven either.

[NickyC]

M4 and it's not even close. For the price it's the most gorgeous car on the road, let alone the performance.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by 4everkidd

Wow... you literally have no clue what you're talking about.

1) the RCf can be "tuned", however it's NA so a tune doesn't yield the same results as FI
2) the RCf is extremely responsive to FBO.
3) the RCF is very track worthy out of the box; check track and lap times. It's heavy; that's its downfall. A set of Penske's or Ohlin's, new front bushings and you're set.

Comparing it to an RX? Obviously you've never driven either.

I’d add better/bigger brakes to that list as well.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by allinon72

You may be the first owner ever to say this.

I didnt think it was very fast in stock form either.

Some of us who came from other realms of motorsports and not just older Ms made this kinda power 20 years ago

[4everkidd]

Originally Posted by minn19

I’d add better/bigger brakes to that list as well.

You're kidding? 6 pot Brembos up front?

I never had an issue with overheating on my ISF's or RCF

[minn19]

Originally Posted by 4everkidd

You're kidding? 6 pot Brembos up front?

I never had an issue with overheating on my ISF's or RCF

No, I'm not kidding the calipers may be up to it, but other things will heat up quick and may not be up to the task of a long track day. That is a big heavy car. I'm not being a fanboy it is just physics.

[4everkidd]

Originally Posted by minn19

No, I'm not kidding the calipers may be up to it, but other things will heat up quick and may not be up to the task of a long track day. That is a big heavy car. I'm not being a fanboy it is just physics.

Are you talking from experience or in theory?

I'm talking experience (although I'm not a professional driver) but I never had an issue

[NCThreePedals]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Man I don't know what you are expecting? But considering it's faster than 99.9% of cars on the road, you must have a high bar for what is "fast." Maybe just get a hellcat so you can feel fast? That's just my take.

It's fast but the guy probably wants more torque

A tune will fix all those issues

[minn19]

Originally Posted by 4everkidd

Are you talking from experience or in theory?

I'm talking experience (although I'm not a professional driver) but I never had an issue

Good to hear, I'm glad you haven't had them fade on you.

I'm talking from others experience of whom I know/trust and reviewers that I trust also.

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by minn19

No, I'm not kidding the calipers may be up to it, but other things will heat up quick and may not be up to the task of a long track day. That is a big heavy car. I'm not being a fanboy it is just physics.

Does any one really buy any of these cars for serious and heavy track use?

The LC has apparently had brake issues, but the RCF is fine and is actually a pretty good car. Not perfect I enjoyed it more than my F80 and most on here could jump in one and turn quicker lap times in it than they could in an F8X. The RCF is very easy to drive and very predictable at or near the limits.

Doesn't C63 weigh about the same or a bit more?

The RCF's short coming in this day in age and a NA car in this price range cannot keep up with the forced induction cars. That said, the RCF is plenty fast for public streets.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

Does any one really buy any of these cars for serious and heavy track use?

The LC has apparently had brake issues, but the RCF is fine and is actually a pretty good car. Not perfect I enjoyed it more than my F80 and most on here could jump in one and turn quicker lap times in it than they could in an F8X. The RCF is very easy to drive and very predictable at or near the limits.

Doesn't C63 weigh about the same or a bit more?

The RCF's short coming in this day in age and a NA car in this price range cannot keep up with the forced induction cars. That said, the RCF is plenty fast for public streets.

Just passing on info that I thought might be helpful to somebody.

FWIW, I think it is a fine car. I also think it’s cool they have a N/A V8/build quality etc. The only things I really have against it is the weight and the fact Toyota could of done a lot better if they really invested and tried. It’s a bummer they franksteined it.

[Negtvions]

I'm probably biased towards German cars, but the Lexus never appealed to me. I found them just a little less sharp and the looks are kinda meh...

[Ian1973]

Originally Posted by minn19

Just passing on info that I thought might be helpful to somebody.

FWIW, I think it is a fine car. I also think it’s cool they have a N/A V8/build quality etc. The only things I really have against it is the weight and the fact Toyota could of done a lot better if they really invested and tried. It’s a bummer they franksteined it.

That's what they have been doing for a few decades now, except for the LFA. Which I'll never even see in person in my life, so does it even exist.

[heyandrew1]

Originally Posted by 4everkidd

Wow... you literally have no clue what you're talking about.

1) the RCf can be "tuned", however it's NA so a tune doesn't yield the same results as FI
2) the RCf is extremely responsive to FBO.
3) the RCF is very track worthy out of the box; check track and lap times. It's heavy; that's its downfall. A set of Penske's or Ohlin's, new front bushings and you're set.

Comparing it to an RX? Obviously you've never driven either.

I have driven both car, for the first point 'tuned', what i meant is you need to go supercharge to have a pretty good whp, since the stock rcf had 390-400whp on dyno. In the Mazda raceway laguna seca, M4 did it 1:39.69 and RCF did it at 1:43.20 both lap time is done by Randy Pobst. I admit comparing it to RX is exaggerate. I not a racing driver, but from what i know and what i feel on track, M4 is much better than RCF(both stock car).