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Why do reviewers take issue with the M3/M4 CS MSRP?
Why is the CS considered to be so expensive by all reviewers? And why are most comparisons with a 911GTS when, in terms of pricing, it should be compared to a standard 911?
The CS without ceramics and Executive pack is 100K MSRP in the US. A standard, non-S 911 (991.2) with similar options: PDK, leather interior, 20 inch rims, metallic color, 14-way power seats, and Sports Chrono has an MSRP of $106.5K. A GTS (991.2) is obviously faster, but also way more expensive. A similarly spec GTS with PDK, leather interior, metallic color, and 14-way seats is 132K. I know some dealers have been trying to charge premiums over MSRP for the CS, but it is the reviewers that use MSRP as an indication of price who often say the CS is too expensive. IMO I would much rather have a CS than a standard 991.2 Porsche 911. Don't get me wrong, I love Pcars but, I believe reviewers should compare cars that are similar in value/price proposition. |
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Because the delta in price does not correspond with the delta in options/performance compared to a regular M3.
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Drive them back to back and you'll realize the differences are more than the sum of the parts. You can't build this car by just clicking on additional option boxes, it truly feels bespoke. Its obviously not a bargain but honestly a highly optioned M3 is a worse buy than a CS.
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I believe the BMW M is doing what Porsche did a while back. It will have many different variants of the same car. That is why the M5 competition was launched almost immediately after the standard M5. Customers will continue to get upset that BMW comes out with different variants of what the car "should of been from the beginning" but eventually customers will understand that each car is a separate variant (similar to the 911, 911T, 911S, 911GTS, etc). For example, the Porsche GTS is about 20K more than the S, and few people complain about that or few people say "that is what the S should have been".... they don't say that because they see the GTS as a separate car even though it's still a 911. |
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The price of the CS is reflected upon the limited quantity and the intangible benefits of the car (i.e. not the spec sheet). It is intended for M enthusiasts. Most people who are buying a CS wouldn't buy the 911 regardless.
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Why not? The M3 CS I get your post, but not necessarily in regards to the M4 vs a 911 at that price point.
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^This, why doesn’t any higher end special edition M3/4 have an option for a manual? Come on BMW take more of my money if you include a manual in some of these special editions.
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OK, please show me how one can get an engine tune, EDC-e-diff-DSC coding, a CFRP front lip, a CFRP rear diffuser, a CFRP gurney flap, a CFRP hood, lightweight forged wheels and a revised interior good for a combined ~77lb of weight reduction for $2000 .
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It probably stems from the fact that the US is getting a rather good deal on the competition package and not so much so on the CS, making it quite a jump from CP to CS. Further, the CS is not for everyone, hence why they are produced in relatively low volumes. But regardless, I agree that the CS are not compared to right market segment. Also in Canada, a 911GTS is in complete different price league compared to the M4CS, so they are definitely not direct competitors. In the end, I don't really care for what the reviewers have to say and I am looking forward to my M4CS .
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I completely get the M3 CS as there is no Porsche equivalent. I get it the M4 CS is less and the M4 CS still offers more back seat space plus more dual ability than a 911 GTS, but it is a lot closer than the M3CS vs 911 obviously. Any way, not trying to be that guy, but if you are stretching to get a CS at 100-110, but can’t afford a 911 at 130, I don’t think you should be in the market for either car if that makes sense. |
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Look - cool car and all - but they just didn't make it special and/or killer. The 911S will still lay waste to it (albeit with a much smaller cabin). and with over 130 of the 628 M3s available on cars.com being M3CS' the market has spoken - this car is not worth the money in the eyes of most buyers.
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See it now? How about if you can afford an 85k M3 then you can afford a 100k CS? Quote:
You are drawing large conclusions from those numbers. Cars.com includes sold cars (see all the GT3s listed?) and current deliveries are all CS, what are you expecting? Dealers in Canada have started listing above asking. Regardless of whether they get that or not, these cars are not sitting. Just appreciate that BMW is making these cars, and leave the bashing at home.
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Read the last paragraph of this review: https://www.google.com.sv/amp/s/www....w-m4-cs-gwguqf Read the paragraph at the end of this review before "First Verdict": https://www.google.com.sv/amp/s/www....cs-review/amp/ |
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And if those numbers include sold M3CS' then they include sold M3s.. so the percentage should be correct. Look, I'm just pointing out facts - my dealer called me the other day and said "BMW is asking if we will take another M3CS - it is at the port unsold" - if this was such a great car, why is BMW asking dealers to take them off their hands? and seriously, if the M3 ZCP is overpriced...what exactly is the M3CS? I love when people are defending a car that nobody wants - wait... did you buy a M4 GTS?
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To some the CS is worth every cent, because it is more driver focused. To some the CS is crap and not worth the money because it loses some nice features like the centre console and climate control (not sure if you can spec it with climate control or if it just comes with those cheap ass knobs). Different strokes for different folks people! Regarding the comparisons to the Porsche GTS, I can only assume that they are comparing the two based on the types of the cars that they are and the purposes that they serve, rather than the prices. |
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BTW, the CS do come with automatic climate control, albeit a single zone system as opposed to the standard dual zone system.
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Further, it is important to consider the entire package, not just the tune and code. Many folks also upgrade cosmetics on their cars. On the CS, some of the cosmetics are also actual performance enhancers, such as the lightweight wheels, lighter hood with increased cooling and functional aero front lip and gurney flap (standard M3/4 have net lift, CS has net downforce). As I said, the CS is not for everyone and it is quite pricey, but you sure cannot make a CS from a CP for 2000 bucks.
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