F8X M3/M4 Competition Package?

[accce]

They will come out with one when Mercedes Benz released the C63 and then MB will release an S model.

[WhyGeeGee]

Originally Posted by FTS

Do you know how much that engine alone costs, not to mention the tranny to go along with it? I know how much my lowly 435 hp rated 3.8 ltr is, $38K. I don't think BMW can sell a $100K+ M3 at the volume they need. Number of GT3 sales compared to M3 is miniscule.

I agree that the Porsche is expensive but saying that BMW couldn't make a better engine because of cost is nonsense as they were making a V8 engine just for one car last gen.

I think BMW feels that people will buy their cars no matter what which is why they aren't pushing their cars to the limit as they used to be.

[Just_me]

Originally Posted by WhyGeeGee

IMO BMW have dropped the ball on this car and I think MB and Audi will have faster cars which is why BMW will be forced to response with a CP sooner than later.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't C63 faster than M3 E92?

[WhyGeeGee]

Originally Posted by Just_me

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't C63 faster than M3 E92?

I believe you are correct which worries me even further as MB has been trying very hard to dethrone the M3 and I think they might do it this generation.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by WhyGeeGee

I believe you are correct which worries me even further as MB has been trying very hard to dethrone the M3 and I think they might do it this generation.

So you'll be leaving us for greener pastures, yes? Will you be taking your rants with you?

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Just_me

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't C63 faster than M3 E92?

Originally Posted by WhyGeeGee

I believe you are correct which worries me even further as MB has been trying very hard to dethrone the M3 and I think they might do it this generation.

It might be faster in a straight line... to be confirmed.

If you ever do ANY tracking, you will regret the C63... ask me how I know I had my C63 for one summer and then sold it because it was not suitable for the track without a lot of mods. The auto tranny also leaves a lot to be desired relative to the DCT in the M cars.

Having said that, if you only care about drag racing and only ever drive around town, it is a stellar car. It just isn't a car that suits the track as much as the M cars.

[ersin]

Originally Posted by Just_me

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't C63 faster than M3 E92?

Yes. Right up until the turn.


Cheers.

[SCOTT26]

According to well informed sources the C63 is heavier.

Besides some of you forget your place sometimes.
M is not about power its about precision , anyone can do numbers but then their focus becomes detached because they want the numbers.

The new M philosophy is all about perfecting that precision through lightweight engineering. M3 and M4 are internally , older cars that featured what was possible at that point of development , so is the i8.
We are now moving to the next phase and the M5 and something else will showcase where we are now and where we are at now is still years ahead of the competition when it comes to cost effective CFRP application and that's far more important than numbers especially when we bring these developments to our customers.

[nonagon]

Originally Posted by WhyGeeGee

I really don't understand how BMW doesn't make engines like Porsche. For me a TT I6 engine should make more than 450 HP just look at the GT3 engine a whoopin 475 HP for a NA engine and the Turbo is over 500+.

IMO BMW have dropped the ball on this car and I think MB and Audi will have faster cars which is why BMW will be forced to response with a CP sooner than later.

The S55 made 465 bhp at 6800 RPM during SportAuto's dyno test. I wouldn't complain about lack of power.

[W///]

Originally Posted by WhyGeeGee

I agree that the Porsche is expensive but saying that BMW couldn't make a better engine because of cost is nonsense as they were making a V8 engine just for one car last gen.

I think BMW feels that people will buy their cars no matter what which is why they aren't pushing their cars to the limit as they used to be.

You drive a turboed BMW car. Have you been living under a rock? They are guaranteed to be under rated from factory. Every single engine has shown that thus far.

[boogie1]

After seeing comp pack on m5/6 seems like 444 will be the hp rating for a comp package. Plus it's an iconic hp rating for m3.

[19x]

Originally Posted by boogie1

After seeing comp pack on m5/6 seems like 444 will be the hp rating for a comp package. Plus it's an iconic hp rating for m3.

True dat

333

[boogie1]

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/co...way-75296.html
dont know if this has been posted before, looks interesting

[stressdoc]

The vision of BMW investing in materials science -- especially CFRP -- will result in long term leadership in sports performance and efficiency.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

According to well informed sources the C63 is heavier.

Besides some of you forget your place sometimes.
M is not about power its about precision , anyone can do numbers but then their focus becomes detached because they want the numbers.

The new M philosophy is all about perfecting that precision through lightweight engineering. M3 and M4 are internally , older cars that featured what was possible at that point of development , so is the i8.
We are now moving to the next phase and the M5 and something else will showcase where we are now and where we are at now is still years ahead of the competition when it comes to cost effective CFRP application and that's far more important than numbers especially when we bring these developments to our customers.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

The vision of BMW investing in materials science -- especially CFRP -- will result in long term leadership in sports performance and efficiency.

I take that comment with a grain of salt. The "numbers" so far tend to indicate BMW under-delivered on weight but over-delivered on power.

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I take that comment with a grain of salt. The "numbers" so far tend to indicate BMW under-delivered on weight but over-delivered on power.

The F8x is still relatively 'old-school'. Point here is the potential exhibited by the i-8 can be realized in high performance cars -- stay tuned.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I take that comment with a grain of salt. The "numbers" so far tend to indicate BMW under-delivered on weight but over-delivered on power.

At M they evaluated a completely stripped-out M4 Coupe and even then the weight difference was not that far from its actual weight, when some of the luxury items that are required for the global market are removed.

For what the M3 and M4 are in lightweight engineering it is highly significant not only for the future of M. But this segment.

The M3 and M4 are a great achievement because of the application of lightweight material cost effectively for the customers benefit.
As I mentioned they are internally older cars now, as is the i8. So progress has caught up. For an M fan that will be very exciting for what will be coming in the future.

Its not a question of if we see a 3er in the same construction methods as an i3 in the next decade? More like when.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

The F8x is still relatively 'old-school'. Point here is the potential exhibited by the i-8 can be realized in high performance cars -- stay tuned.

Yeah, I agree with this point. The initial implementation of carbon fiber tech and a turbo 6 shared across some dozen cars means this is a bridge car to the new frontier opened up by cars like i-8 or Tesla.

[DanoneBMW]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

Yeah, I agree with this point. The initial implementation of carbon fiber tech and a turbo 6 shared across some dozen cars means this is a bridge car to the new frontier opened up by cars like i-8 or Tesla.

Is there a performance package on the i8 ? I know the Tesla has a 'sport' version.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by DanoneBMW

Is there a performance package on the i8 ? I know the Tesla has a 'sport' version.

There is no performance package on the I8, but apparently they are working on the M8 that will toss the M5/M6 engine in there, so we'll see.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by modkrazy

There is no performance package on the I8, but apparently they are working on the M8 that will toss the M5/M6 engine in there, so we'll see.

There will be no i8 M. BMWi and BMW M. will not cross-contaminate except for interpretation the lightweight material genes.

The i8 does not need a Performance package...Observe.

[modkrazy]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

There will be no i8 M. BMWi and BMW M. will not cross-contaminate except for interpretation the lightweight material genes.

The i8 does not need a Performance package...Observe.

Performance wise, the car leaves quite a bit to be desired, at least given the price. It's more of a tech demo/fuel economy-focused car that happens to be pretty damn quick, much like the Tesla S. The M8 was reported by Auto Bild back in December, so who knows if it will pan out.

I'd be careful with absolutist statements like that, too. BMW M also used to say they will always be a separate division and they will always be about natural aspiration and throttle response.