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I am also not sure if you even track your car judging from your response. AWD does not provide any more traction advantage when you are at a track with 60-200AA tires. It will slow you down on straights and drag you in the corners due to extra weight. This is exactly the reason M8 competition coupe is tested SLOWER than M6 at Willows, stock to stock.
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1. F8x base was too good and came with 95% of the stuff that CS offered. 2. Some people want MT when it comes to special editions because of value retention, but CS/GTS did not offer that. However, since GTS is much more track focused i.e. focused solely on lap times, people did not complain as much and all of them sold with relative ease. (Think of GT3 not selling well without MT but GT2RS all being sold with PDK only) It is a very different scenario this time around. ZF8 is just infuriating around tight tracks and mountain roads, even the best iterations are at "barely acceptable" level. Offering DCT for a more focused driver's car should be a no brainer.
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sorry man but I think you're in denial. G8x will absolutely smoke any F8x. Even BMW admitted that its faster than an M4GTS. (comparing a street car to a 'track ready' car) Let's sync up in a couple weeks when all the reviews come out. AWD doesn't have a traction advantage, are you for real? Sorry but ever hear of the AWD Volkswagen IDR that has the record for the Pike's Peak hill climb and has a 6:05min at the Nurburgring? |
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Nice, let’s compare an unrestricted EV concept/racecar to a consumer car. You couldn’t even compare a hypercar to that thing.
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I'm curious about final weights and how much tire it can take. If it can take enough tire the weight will not be as big of an issue for serious trackers. For the occasional track use most people will do to any M3, I'm sure it will be juuuuuuust fine |
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I think we’re all pretty curious about a lot of aspects of the car, although weight seems to be one of those things BMW is being intentionally confusing about. I’m still reserving my final judgment for when I can actually drive the thing hopefully at an m town event.
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The chassis would have to be better to be faster, but the GTS already had a good one. |
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https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1759880 Nordschleife times should be taken with a grain of salt since more and more manufacturers are using it as an advertising means than to convey actual performance delta. In a 23km track such as this, you will see more than 10 seconds faster just by choosing a track oriented tire compound. Why don't you ask BMW what tires were used when they made the claim that it is "faster than GTS"? Whether it was the same driver as F8x? How was the track condition? Without verifying all these variables, it is less than reliable. Quote:
For street cars at the track days, AWD has advantage mainly for launching from the stop. It has no clear advantage in acceleration or around corners vs RWD with high grip tires I have mentioned, only the weight detriments. For less talented drivers, sure it would be confidence inspiring. Might as well drive an Audi for added understeer.
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F1 had unrestricted budget cap from 2014-2021, yet nobody bothered to add AWD in any of their race cars. That should say enough.
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Interestingly, the M5cs seems to sell very well. My good buddy is trying to acquire one but to no avail, as all 25 slated for Canada are already spoken for.
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Have you considered that this may be because AWD is not permitted under the regulation ?
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G8X is the ugliest car of all time but it will be faster around a track than an F8X stop the nonsense.
It might destroy consumables but that's about it. With added weight also came stiffening measures from what i read, this is gonna compete with the GT350R in it's competition form which is in F82 GTS territory. But it doesn't even matter, the car is ugly as hell and bat shit heavy, it won't be as fun on a track. Numbers stopped mattering to me when i turned 22, theres always someone faster. |
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Time advantage will be track dependent, but I can think of numerous corners where the exit traction advantage would be at least a few tenths, maybe 0.5 vs. rwd. Since F8X front end is pinned and G8X apparently progresses from there, how early and hard back on power is the primary lap time limitation. M xDrive you'll be slingshotting out of the corner with early throttle application that would have sent you sideways with rwd. We'll see
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Fully stock F8X to stock track spec GTS is ~6 seconds around a 2 mile technical circuit. So, that would be crazy if G8X achieves. E9X to F8X was more like 3-4 seconds and that was night and day difference.
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I don't think there ever has been a regulation against it, which is why I mentioned. AWD in a race car such as F1 that weighs 600-720kg, weight increase is huge % putting front axles and a diff.
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Weight is not really an issue in F1 since the constructors have the technical means to make cars well below the regulated minimum weight. From the 2021 F1 rule book:
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