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View Poll Results: S65 option or S55 standart ? | |||
YES ... I would choose the S65 if an option at this price would be availiable |
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93 | 45.81% |
NO ... I would choose the standart S55 engine |
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110 | 54.19% |
Voters: 203. You may not vote on this poll |
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06-21-2014, 06:31 AM | #661 |
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Nice post! @Kurt_OH That hissy fit may mean a lost customer, but if they lose one and gain three new customers, it's a win. Like the post above stated, people tend to refer to subjective data points to make a case when they can't argue with the objective data. |
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Don't worry, others will replace that lost customer. BMW is trading at what 92 and change? Not like they aren't going sell a faster better M car just because it lacks the sound of the old V8. I personally like the whistle of the turbos better than the V8. It drives like a champ BTW, way better than the E90.
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06-21-2014, 10:56 PM | #667 |
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Still driving the E92 and already gave them your money. LOL.
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06-22-2014, 07:50 AM | #669 | |
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In any event, clearly BMW thinks the customers they want don't care enough to leave over it, or that there aren't any legit alternatives anyway. As for losing one and gaining three, that's not happening, especially as the M3 gets less special. If it's JUST fast (nothing particularly compelling or special in addition), then it's in a big group of fast "commodity" cars. Besides, BMW doesn't sell many M cars to begin with; gaining multiple new buyers to replace each of those lost is unlikely. Oh, and in my case, both my wife and I currently drive Bimmers so there are two customers at risk who like and have bought new BMWs, and want to buy more of them. Our son also likes them and will soon be driving. We'll see if they didn't lose three. On the other hand, maybe the new engine won't end up being the catastrophe of a tuned N55 that I fear. |
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06-22-2014, 07:54 AM | #670 |
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I replied to the first of the "BMW doesn't need you" responses and replied before seeing the others.
My comment wasn't meant as a wish for BMW to suffer from folks leaving. More just disappointment that I probably will despite my wish to stay. |
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1. It has better response and immediacy than the new turbo engine 2. It sounds special/racy/fantastic vs. fairly universally dull. I say any degradation of something "positive" in the prior version (sound, special character, responsiveness ...), and is less so in the new version, is a negative. Not saying there's nothing positive on the other side of the ledger (more torque really being the only one that matters to me), but this is not a wholly superior, or even IMHO net superior engine. Must be why six of the 32 reviews stated they missed the S65 and lamented it's passing. Quote:
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... a glorious V8 that screamed and hollered as the revs rose and then howled in an orgy of what sounded like BDSM ecstasy as it neared the red line.
Well, you can forget all that. The new car is fitted with a turbocharged straight six. Turbocharging? In an M car? That’s like putting gravy on an ice cream. - Jeremy Clarkson, discussing the S65 and then S55 M3 engines. |
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Well, I guess that settles it then
![]() In fact, most of the reviews do not agree with you. The best you got was 1/3 agreeing with a single comment. That's far from overwhelming. |
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Not as much complaint about lag as I thought. No question it's a step back from the prior two M engines in that regard, as well as sound and thrill, but the reviewers didn't hate it. |
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06-24-2014, 09:17 AM | #674 | |
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Also, more than just a handful of reviewers have labeled this engine has having linear power delivery which is pretty special for an F/I engine. This article does a very good job of describing the positive and negative attributes of the E92 M3, 1M, and F82: http://www.bimmerfile.com/2014/06/23.../#!prettyPhoto The S55 will no doubt be a special engine, just like the S65 and S54 before but for different reasons. |
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As for "its called turbo charged", yea we agree - That's one of the big downers of turbo engines. That, low revs, boring sound ... Quote:
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Try that with an S65. |
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06-24-2014, 10:21 AM | #676 |
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You know you can get that the S65 experience for a third of the price in an S2000. That car is more trackworthy than an m3 will almost ever be.
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But let me guess... its not a BMW then?
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06-24-2014, 10:29 AM | #679 | |
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No it isn't. Just because your bias is blinding you (because for some reason if you seem to think that the S55 being "special" would somehow cheapen the S65). And again, the S55 IS a special motor, just like the S65 is a special motor, JUST FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
When you make blank statements like this, it's obvious your bias is overpowering: Quote:
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06-24-2014, 10:48 AM | #681 | |
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You're right that I'm biased. I want instant throttle response, spectacular, unique character, soulful sound and utter uniqueness. NONE of that comes with the N55/S55. |
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06-24-2014, 11:00 AM | #682 | |
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Keep using N55 and S55 interchangeably, it continues to demonstrate your ignorance. The F8X and S55 aren't for you? Fine. No one has a gun to your head. |
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