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Your first sentence is just ignorant. If you've driven a mid engine P car like a cayman or boxster you'd realize it's not just about a poor mans 911. The dynamics are sublime
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Saying Porsche is insanely profitable sort of proves my point. They have a $49k car they've been making for 2 decades and a factory they've mostly amortized, but they sell it to you for $80k with a hilarious story that you should love 190 ft/lb of torque available at 6000 RPM because it's for purists. I say it's for apologists. Anyone who buys that story is a fool.
This is the only story I want to read about a car I'm buying, and then I want to take that car and add 200 ft/lb of torque with $1,000 ECU flash: Quote:
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The thing I did not like about the Cayman/Boxster S motor is the lack of torque below 4k rpm. I may be used to driving turbo cars with the huge torque down low.
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Exactly! I own a 911 C4s and the cayman is way more engaging of a car (I also own a S2000). I use to think the boxster was a hair dressers car until I drove one. I can afford a 911 but I think I will be getting a Cayman as it's the better car to drive. I will hold out until the M4 comes out but the colors and the Msrp have me a little down on the car. It's not out of my price range I just think $80k will be more fun in a cayman S or 911S.
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12-18-2013, 06:21 AM | #30 | |
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Cayman S would be a nice 2nd car.
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Don't get me wrong, I wanted a 997S back in 2008(but having 2 kids was one of the reasons I got the E90 M3 6MT), the engine felt more torquey than the M3 V8. The roadholding was better , build quality is Number 1 on this planet, but not more driving fun than the E90 M3. Au contraire.
Sometimes the inital UNDERsteer the 911s are 'famous'(...) for, irritated me a bit (a lot) when testdriving the thing. And don't tell me how to drive an Elfer ![]() I drove a lot of Elfers(from 1973 models via 89 Carreras, 964 C4, 964RS, 996s etc and they all do that) and it's just not my kind of sportscar, but a new GT3/Turbo S, bring it on. Way out of my financial league. So no normal Elfer for me thank you... Cheers Robin |
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12-19-2013, 05:49 AM | #32 |
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Doesn't have to do with weight though the 911 hides it very well. There is so much bodyroll in the m3 compared to the 911. I have never driven a 997 so I can not comment on that but the 991 is quite a ways off of the m3.
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But as already stated somehwere overhere, the Cayman needs more power/torque imho.... And which M3 do you mean, I guess the E9x, because we both haven't yet been able to drive the F80 M3.(?) Cheers Robin |
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Cayman and Boxster are great cars but having owned one for awhile, I much prefer the M3 (which will shortly become the new M4).
The issues I have are practicality (ie no backseat) and size. I like a vehicle with visual presence, which also increases safety. Living in a world of huge SUV's, I always felt like I was driving a go cart and someone was going to flatten me. Yes, the dynamics were great, but just couldn't get over the size. |
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You need to get your eyes checked. lol
But to answer OP's question: If 2 seater is not a deal breaker, Cayman GTS, hell Cayman S would be my choice over M4.
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I looked at Porsche Cayman and Boxster and came up to a conclusion that if I want to get a Porsche it has to be the 911!
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IMHO the Cayman is a gorgeous car, way better looking than the 911. I do wish it had more power, so the GTS sounds interesting, but bumping it by just 15 HP isn't that impressive. I wish they'd just make one with the 3.8L Carrera S engine.
Also, it sounds like the GTS will only come with 20 inch wheels... yuck. I don't get the huge wheels craze, big wheels are harsh and heavy. Ugh. |
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