Albert Biermann M division engineering boss - 2016 M3 GT, M7, xDrive M5/M6?

[Pure]

Albert Biertmann you saying that this is true?
This joking?

[Pure]

[boostaholic786]

I think thats the worst idea ///M could do. ///M stands for motorsports (racing)... So what class would this car race in? a Time Attack series....NO. An autoX event....NO. Even a day at your local track...NO. That car is only going to get bigger and its already heavy as hell so what are you thinking ///M? They cant reduce the weight to the point where its light enough nor agile enough and really the only thing you can do with it is hitting the throttle and going fast on the highway or on the Autobahn...

[Mako]

Originally Posted by Faust

The world does not need an M3 GT. M2 and M4 Gran Coupe are mandatory instead.

BMW starts making no sense lately. Naming the 1 GT a 2-Series, no news on M2 or M4 Gran Coupe and now an M3 GT rumour. It is getting hilarious.

Agree about the M7 though. Been long overdue already. V12, 600+hp.

100% agree on the M2 and M4 GC versions before a M3GT. I understand the X3 and X4 not getting it, hopefully the US gets the M performance (diesel versions).

[///MD]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Global sales of the 3er GT has exceed initial projection for 2013. Once we have two years of sales to look at whether it has been successful or otherwise then we can go ahead or not go ahead with the concept.

The 3er GT is sold in all global markets and this is where its success is coming from. Perhaps you would like to visit the F34 thread where we already have a core forum who have purchased that car.

The car has been presented to the BMW board this past week.
If you like the 3er GT M-Sport then you will like the M3 GT it has been M orientated with broader wheel arches and a similar aero packet albeit slightly amended because of the 3er GT's height. The 3er GT's facia stays the same.

by this thought, does this mean that an m4GC is NOT completely off the table?

[monza2t]

I threw up a little with the thought of a bulbous GT with a true M badge...

[Joyrdr]

I love my 3GT

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by ottoblotto

Make all the GT/7/X3/whatever other ///M cars you want, but for the love of car enthusiasts worldwide, BMW:

MAKE A TOURING M3!!

Seriously...

+1

This would be the cheapest to develop too as so much would shared with the M3 four door

[bunker]

Originally Posted by Faust

The world does not need an M3 GT. M2 and M4 Gran Coupe are mandatory instead.

BMW starts making no sense lately. Naming the 1 GT a 2-Series, no news on M2 or M4 Gran Coupe and now an M3 GT rumour. It is getting hilarious.

Agree about the M7 though. Been long overdue already. V12, 600+hp.

Personally, I can't wait until they make an M version of that minivan thing. That would be, like, totally rad. FML.

[bunker]

Originally Posted by dd1981

It's getting a bit silly. Why not a 2M active tourer as well so the soccer moms can shave off .3 tenths off their time getting to the practice fields.

Ha! My bad. I now see you already went there.

[MikeyV]

Originally Posted by Purecraftgerman

Maybe the invent a pickup-M lol .!

Already done.

[Pure]

And where they sell it?
All go out and buy one!

[ToyotaBMW]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Global sales of the 3er GT has exceed initial projection for 2013. Once we have two years of sales to look at whether it has been successful or otherwise then we can go ahead or not go ahead with the concept.

The 3er GT is sold in all global markets and this is where its success is coming from. Perhaps you would like to visit the F34 thread where we already have a core forum who have purchased that car.

The car has been presented to the BMW board this past week.
If you like the 3er GT M-Sport then you will like the M3 GT it has been M orientated with broader wheel arches and a similar aero packet albeit slightly amended because of the 3er GT's height. The 3er GT's facia stays the same.

The problem isn't if they can sell them or not, it's more about the dilution of the brand. For example even though Porsche has come out with more models, each model is more or less the class leader hence the brand is not diluted as much since people will perceive the Porsche brand as category leader in sportiness of how the cars drive. The problem with the 3GT and 5GT is that it dilutes the BMW brand. BMW stands for ultimate driving experience along with beautiful timeless cars and the problem with the 5 and 3 GT is that they are ugly cars. Heck the Toyota Venza looks better. The more of these cars you see on the road the less people will associate the BMW brand as an exclusive luxury brand that leads in performance and design. It isn't about the numbers it should be about the brand and 3 and 5GT imo don't fit into the brand. To make it an M car which is more exclusive is blasphemy. I much rather see an AWD M car before a 3GT. I can guarantee that would help with sales more than a 3 or 5 GT.

[ToyotaBMW]

Originally Posted by Joyrdr

I love my 3GT

Noticed you didn't put any pictures of the rear end.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by Leo88

3 GT in M-sport packet is not that bad but it's a shame that BMW looks at this car as a potential M instead of a M5/M3 touring.

I think 3GT fits M badge better than 3 Touring.

[SCOTT26]

Its typical of you to insult the management because they have to bring in the capital to maintain their business goals.
As I stated they are potential projects ongoing but no way conclusive.

We have already seen a 3er GT body shell at the M Division HQ in Garching as each model is potentially evaluated as a possible M.
But not all receive the green light.

If we take the current crop of potential M cars.
3er GT , 4er Gran Coupe and X4M. All niche models. We have to have an establishment period , sales have to established to determine if there is a customer and also a market.

The 3er GT has already been launched and it has exceeded its first end of year target , which is significant because the car was introduced in Europe in June.
The 4er Gran Coupe and X4 will launch in the second quarter of 2014.
If they are successful launches then they will be assessed for potential M status.



If we take the M6 Gran Coupe and the M5. M5 was introduced in 2011 and M6 Gran Coupe in 2013. If there was to be a 3er GT or 4er GC it will be within the same period. Again enough time to evaluate a potential customer base.

Out of the 3 models the more likely addition will be the BMW X4M.
They are considering a full blown X4M because of new competitors like the Porsche Macan and the success of the BMW X6M because in key growth markets for BMW M the X6M is the best selling M model.
If accessibility is brought with an X4M then potentially you have a car that can take advantage of the mid-entry end of the market especially when a new X6M will have a price increase. Again nothing is final because the car is not on the market yet.
So we will know more once the first year of sales are known.

The X4M in its engineering strategy shares much with the new BMW M3 and M4 Coupe including engine and attention to lightweight detail.

The current priority for BMW M is to finalise for production on the all new BMW X5M and X6M and to start full development on the BMW M2. Whilst conceive progression for the M3 and M4 Coupe. And start the conception process for the all new BMW M5. All this amongst other ongoing projects including a project to supplement BMW M to almost mirror BMWi in a stand alone concept for each sub-brand.

One such market they cannot ignore is the rising demand for high performance compact SUVs. An X1M has been mooted to join a twin assault by an all new MINI Countryman JCW which will see JCW be more like BMW M for MINI but will not be spread amongst every MINI variant now.


An M7 is a much desired concept. The goals within the current model would not be satisfactory . The all new model is a different story .
Its significant weight reduction and engineering certainly opens more potential than before .
It just remains to see whether there is a desire for such a car both internally and externally.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Joyrdr

I love my 3GT

Congrats on your GT. We will be getting a Black Sapphire M Sport in January.

[///MD]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Its typical of you to insult the management because they have to bring in the capital to maintain their business goals.
As I stated they are potential projects ongoing but no way conclusive.

We have already seen a 3er GT body shell at the M Division HQ in Garching as each model is potentially evaluated as a possible M.
But not all receive the green light.

If we take the current crop of potential M cars.
3er GT , 4er Gran Coupe and X4M. All niche models. We have to have an establishment period , sales have to established to determine if there is a customer and also a market.

The 3er GT has already been launched and it has exceeded its first end of year target , which is significant because the car was introduced in Europe in June.
The 4er Gran Coupe and X4 will launch in the second quarter of 2014.
If they are successful launches then they will be assessed for potential M status.



If we take the M6 Gran Coupe and the M5. M5 was introduced in 2011 and M6 Gran Coupe in 2013. If there was to be a 3er GT or 4er GC it will be within the same period. Again enough time to evaluate a potential customer base.

Out of the 3 models the more likely addition will be the BMW X4M.
They are considering a full blown X4M because of new competitors like the Porsche Macan and the success of the BMW X6M because in key growth markets for BMW M the X6M is the best selling M model.
If accessibility is brought with an X4M then potentially you have a car that can take advantage of the mid-entry end of the market especially when a new X6M will have a price increase. Again nothing is final because the car is not on the market yet.
So we will know more once the first year of sales are known.

The X4M in its engineering strategy shares much with the new BMW M3 and M4 Coupe including engine and attention to lightweight detail.

The current priority for BMW M is to finalise for production on the all new BMW X5M and X6M and to start full development on the BMW M2. Whilst conceive progression for the M3 and M4 Coupe. And start the conception process for the all new BMW M5. All this amongst other ongoing projects including a project to supplement BMW M to almost mirror BMWi in a stand alone concept for each sub-brand.

One such market they cannot ignore is the rising demand for high performance compact SUVs. An X1M has been mooted to join a twin assault by an all new MINI Countryman JCW which will see JCW be more like BMW M for MINI but will not be spread amongst every MINI variant now.


An M7 is a much desired concept. The goals within the current model would not be satisfactory . The all new model is a different story .
Its significant weight reduction and engineering certainly opens more potential than before .
It just remains to see whether there is a desire for such a car both internally and externally.

thanks for the info. Sounds exciting. I personally wouldn't mind seeing as many M models as possible as long as they hold true to M philosophy.

people just like to bitch for the sake of bitching. who cares if BMW makes 1,000 different models as long as the one you wanna drive is how you want it. God forbid BMW try to make money and compete with it's rivals. If you're never gonna drive an X4m or 3gt then just shut the hell up about it and enjoy the car you actually have. if you don't like the drive and feel of a bmw anymore then stop crying and go buy an audi or benz and join that forum. this complaining about LUXURY cars is getting tiresome.

[3M TAPE]

I think 3 GT looks a lot better than the F30 3 series.
The F30 already looks out dated compare to the new C-class, Mustang GT, or even the new lexus IS.

Also would like to say this to some forum folks here, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!
BMW is a company not a community organized group/institution that listens to all kinds of people.
Stop bitching!

[c0nstant]

Originally Posted by Poppin Fresh

Sounds to me like someone is trying to sabotage the M division from the inside. What's next, an all wheel drive M3?

as far as i know, there have been rumors of an M5 x-drive; i wouldn't put it past them

[Jblack4083]

Originally Posted by positiveions

Are you sure about that? You are one in how many members of this forum that like GTs. If I made a poll today, I would like to see how many members will vote for the wagons vs GT.

Many don't even care about it. If you placed 10 wagons, and 10 GTs at a lot, and let the public have at it, you'll find out that wagons will be gone first.

This is what BMW has said and the market proves it. GT sells better than Wagons. Everyone on this forum is in denial...

You're confusing this little bubble we call BimmerPost.com with the real market. This isn't the real market so a poll here or what people do here is misleading. If it were up to us BMW M would go out of business.

Statistics have shown the take rate for GT vehicles is more than that of the Touring vehicles. That's not even up for debate as the numbers are right here on this forum. If you look at the "By The Numbers" posts you'll see what I'm talking about.

Lets face it. People in the U.S. don't buy Wagons... Why is everyone here such in denial

[Eagle1oh7]