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      04-20-2021, 02:49 PM   #111
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Uh, tough call.
Quaker State is GTL based, which is cutting-edge technology when it comes to base stocks. However, Valvoline makes super stout oils in this category using hydrocracked base stocks. IMO, since both carry actual Porsche A40 approval, they will do well on track.
Also, do not forget, in N55 and S55 engines LL01 is not that important now. LL01 was updated in 2018 to address N20/26 issues and increase OCI, which eliminated most of 0W oils in the category where HTHS has to be over 3.5.
Castrol 0W40 to me would be go to cheap oil for F80 on track unless you going some boutique oils like Motul Sport or 300V. In reality, you really cannot go wrong with any of these oils. To add, since you are using the car on the street and track, street oils are more desirable and not boutique, like 300V.
As for QS Ultra DUrability or just Euro, it is Pennzoil. Pennzoil is notoriously inconsistent with marketing, PDS, and MSDS. On their website they are now advertising as Quaker State Euro, but the link to PDS takes you to Quaker State Ultra Durability. So, Euro is what they sell now I guess. Maybe that is Pennzoil's attack on Mobil1 and Castrol in Wal Mart, hence price.
Thanks so much for your help! I will probably stick with QS and Valvoline euro (whatever walmart has in stock at the time) because I have an extended warranty and am a bit paranoid that they would ask for proof of using an LL-01 oil if there is an engine issue.
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Thanks so much for your help! I will probably stick with QS and Valvoline euro (whatever walmart has in stock at the time) because I have an extended warranty and am a bit paranoid that they would ask for proof of using an LL-01 oil if there is an engine issue.
Usually, they won't require proof (I had a failure of part on X5 35d that could be caused by oil, and they just asked me what I use and I did use LL04, which was required for M57 engine).
But, still, sticking to LL01 would be my choice too.
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The fact that Molygen does not have any approval, should tell you everything you need to know.
He's likely talking about LM synthoil race tech 10w60 for E46 M3 track car, which does carry API SN and ACEA A3/B4.
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He's likely talking about LM synthoil race tech 10w60 for E46 M3 track car, which does carry API SN and ACEA A3/B4.
I know I was referring to the 10w60, but I believe mister was not.
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He's likely talking about LM synthoil race tech 10w60 for E46 M3 track car, which does carry API SN and ACEA A3/B4.
I was referring to Molygen 5W40 which has recommendations and not approvals, maybe he was referring to 10W60.
Regardless, there is a big difference in the way companies use language to explain where oil should be used and "recommended" and "meets or exceeds requirements" is not the same as approval.
ACEA is not approval. ACEA sequence does not require approval, and blenders are allowed to use "self-testing" to determine whether oil is compatible with ACEA sequence. Since ACEA is the starting point for European approvals, it is the least stringent and not particularly hard to achieve.
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He's likely talking about LM synthoil race tech 10w60 for E46 M3 track car, which does carry API SN and ACEA A3/B4.
I was referring to Molygen 5W40 which has recommendations and not approvals, maybe he was referring to 10W60.
Regardless, there is a big difference in the way companies use language to explain where oil should be used and "recommended" and "meets or exceeds requirements" is not the same as approval.
ACEA is not approval. ACEA sequence does not require approval, and blenders are allowed to use "self-testing" to determine whether oil is compatible with ACEA sequence. Since ACEA is the starting point for European approvals, it is the least stringent and not particularly hard to achieve.
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So what's the consensus here?
Anything that is LL01 approved. Personally, I went with Liqui Moly 5w40 leichtlauf with FCPEuro lifetime replacement.

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He's likely talking about LM synthoil race tech 10w60 for E46 M3 track car, which does carry API SN and ACEA A3/B4.
I was referring to Molygen 5W40 which has recommendations and not approvals, maybe he was referring to 10W60.
Regardless, there is a big difference in the way companies use language to explain where oil should be used and "recommended" and "meets or exceeds requirements" is not the same as approval.
ACEA is not approval. ACEA sequence does not require approval, and blenders are allowed to use "self-testing" to determine whether oil is compatible with ACEA sequence. Since ACEA is the starting point for European approvals, it is the least stringent and not particularly hard to achieve.
I was referring to liqui moly 5w40 leichtlauf.
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Anything that is LL01 approved. Personally, I went with Liqui Moly 5w40 leichtlauf with FCPEuro lifetime replacement.



I was referring to liqui moly 5w40 leichtlauf.
There is also an option of Pentosin 5w40 from FCP, which seems to carry LL01 approval. Tempted to try it out.
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Anything that is LL01 approved. Personally, I went with Liqui Moly 5w40 leichtlauf with FCPEuro lifetime replacement.



I was referring to liqui moly 5w40 leichtlauf.
There is also an option of Pentosin 5w40 from FCP, which seems to carry LL01 approval. Tempted to try it out.
I would also like to hear what edycol thinks about Pentosin and their different LL01 offerings
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I would also like to hear what edycol thinks about Pentosin and their different LL01 offerings
I would go Pentosin before LM.
It was one of the more popular oils for some time. But US market for Pentosin was always an afterthought. Now that Fuchs owns them (Fuchs is the largest manufacturer of industrial lubricants in Germany) they are slowly changing their approach.
Oversized Made in Germany letters are also on the bottle
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Weird that their super performance 5w-40 has a flash point of 200C.
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Weird that their super performance 5w-40 has a flash point of 200C.
Did you check which ASTM they are using to determine flashpoint? I cannot see which methodology they are using. It is Porsche A40 approved, which means good for the track.
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