Anyone planning on picking up a G8X and tracking it?

[USSEnterprise]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Well, the view around here is BMW has to make light, powerful cars and they have to be really really cheap. Really cheap.

If they make a CS that is more powerful and lighter than the G8X it will inevitable cost more, and for many in this forum that is unacceptable.

Whenever the CS is announced and before anyone has driven one, you will find pages of comments of people saying they would never buy a BMW for 'x' price. Then some of those same geniuses would talk about buying other cars that are 2x the cost of the M3, but it all makes perfect sense in their heads.

People move on to cars with a base price of 2 or 3 times the M3, yet are amazed those cars are better at some things and will spend years sticking around the M forum despite not owning any M cars, filling their posts with criticism and hatred for the M3.
Fortunately, you can distinguish the ones that were fast drivers from the posers who buy cars for their brands, as people who were fast and moved onto a different platform like @NYG continue to appreciate the M platform regardless of what they're driving now.

BMW could make a car that cures world hunger and you'd still have people saying for that price they'd prefer a 4 banger engine in a 2 seater.

I'm with you SYT. I have no problems paying the price premium for "CS" or whatever other high end models BMW makes. There are no other 4 door cars that can arrive and put down lap times within 5 or 6 seconds of cars that cost twice as much and have two less seats (cough Porsches).

And its always a pay to play game. You buy a $150k porsche and they still make you pay for a rear windshield wiper. So when BMW asks for $100k for a CS, I would gladly pay. Don't like it? Go buy a Corvette (which is an awesome car BTW, I miss my C7).

[Montaver]

deletd

[NYG]

Originally Posted by xxaarraa

So when BMW asks for $100k for a CS, I would gladly pay. Don't like it? Go buy a Corvette

Fucker

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by NYG

Fucker

You forgot the part he says he misses his Vette!

[NYG]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

You forgot the part he says he misses his Vette!

I couldn't get up to that part --- it hurt too much.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Montaver

The irony is no one on this forum posts about Porsches more than you.

Its a discussion forum, there are going to be different opinions. If someone owned and M car and moved onto a different platform, perhaps they might have useful information to share? God forbid they might criticize BMW.

Saying things like 'I question anyone's driver skill who wants a GT4' makes no sense. Believe it or not there are multiple manufactures out there who make good cars, if someone finds joy in another marque why is that a problem.

That thing cornered haaaaaaaaaaaaaard af on those backroads.

[USSEnterprise]

Originally Posted by NYG

I couldn't get up to that part --- it hurt too much.

Till today, of the 24 cars I have owned, this remains the car I owned the longest. Absolutely loved this car.

This particular car would never have made the cut as a track car (because of the old 6 speed tranny), but everything was right about it otherwise (3LT, competition seats, some mods...). I had it at the drag strip a bunch and put down high 11s.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by xxaarraa

Till today, of the 24 cars I have owned, this remains the car I owned the longest. Absolutely loved this car.

This particular car would never have made the cut as a track car (because of the old 6 speed tranny), but everything was right about it otherwise (3LT, competition seats, some mods...). I had it at the drag strip a bunch and put down high 11s.

Love the bikes too.

JOIN US AT THE Z06 DARK SIDE AGAIN

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by NYG

Love the bikes too.

JOIN US AT THE Z06 DARK SIDE AGAIN

New Z06 will be very interesting, seemingly back to a NA engine. Get them while you can!

[fanatic1]

Originally Posted by NYG

Love the bikes too.

JOIN US AT THE Z06 DARK SIDE AGAIN

You post a pic of your C7?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

New Z06 will be very interesting, seemingly back to a NA engine. Get them while you can!

With a flat plane crank

The Corvette has always been a force to reckon with, they are fantastic track machines despite their (unwarranted) stigma.

[kyrix1st]

I will be entertained if they offer a M4 CS/CSL with a DCT or a race optimized sequential manual gearbox. BMW M are dreaming if they think they can sell 3,000 odd CS/CSL units with a slushbox.
Just a note, Porsche reluctantly puts ZF8 on one car out of all the models for the sole purpose of higher towing capacity. Everything else is PDK for a reason.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I will be entertained if they offer a M4 CS/CSL with a DCT or a race optimized sequential manual gearbox. BMW M are dreaming if they think they can sell 3,000 odd CS/CSL units with a slushbox.
Just a note, Porsche reluctantly puts ZF8 on one car out of all the models for the sole purpose of higher towing capacity. Everything else is PDK for a reason.

They already couldn't sell the F8X CS cars that did have DCTs, as people expect special stuff for bargain basement pricing.

I'm sure they will also struggle to sell the G8X CS regardless of transmission

[USSEnterprise]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

They already couldn't sell the F8X CS cars that did have DCTs, as people expect special stuff for bargain basement pricing.

I'm sure they will also struggle to sell the G8X CS regardless of transmission

One word: electrification.

BMW is not investing in another generation of DCT because this way of life is fast becoming extinct. In 10 years (typical lifespan of a from the ground up investment in new tranny), there will be a vastly reduced and further reducing fleet of gasoline performance cars. They are doing the right thing in putting the investment dollars towards electrification. That's where the world is headed.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by xxaarraa

One word: electrification.

BMW is not investing in another generation of DCT because this way of life is fast becoming extinct. In 10 years (typical lifespan of a from the ground up investment in new tranny), there will be a vastly reduced and further reducing fleet of gasoline performance cars. They are doing the right thing in putting the investment dollars towards electrification. That's where the world is headed.

So sad jojo, so sad

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

They already couldn't sell the F8X CS cars that did have DCTs, as people expect special stuff for bargain basement pricing.

I'm sure they will also struggle to sell the G8X CS regardless of transmission

It's true. You have to wonder how much the mindless trashing of the CS and GTS on everything from price to performance informed and will inform M's direction.

Suggested years ago they'd never again deliver something like the GTS to a clueless U.S. audience. The misinterpretation certainly justified their decisions to keep previous gen CSL/GTS/CRT models out of the states.

And the price hawks are at it again with the M2 CS, despite the fact it's proving to be one of the best driver's cars in the effing world at any price.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

It's true. You have to wonder how much the mindless trashing of the CS and GTS on everything from price to performance informed and will inform M's direction.

Suggested years ago they'd never again deliver something like the GTS to a clueless U.S. audience. The misinterpretation certainly justified their decisions to keep previous gen CSL/GTS/CRT models out of the states.

And the price hawks are at it again with the M2 CS, despite the fact it's proving to be one of the best driver's cars in the effing world at any price.

We are absolutely on the same page. They can't win no matter what they do.

The hate fest for all things M that are special and subsequently more expensive than average is nuts.

If the M3/4CS/GTS and M2CS were well received in the forum/review world then the complaints of the G8X would make more sense to me, but unfortunately they were hated on non stop. Now the G8X weighs more and has a 8ZF... I don't like it, but people act like this is the straw that broke the camel's back and it's not.

M brings people cars with CF roofs, CF driveshafts, industrial grade cooling systems, a DCT and ediff that can take whatever you throw at it and sells this for 70k. Nonstop whining ensues. If I were at M I would stop making all those cool things. Fuck it. Let people buy 200k P cars.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

M brings people cars with CF roofs, CF driveshafts, industrial grade cooling systems, a DCT and ediff that can take whatever you throw at it and sells this for 70k. Nostop whining ensues. If I were at M I would stop making all those cool things. Fuck it. Let people buy 200k P cars.

That's what the latest unmentionable is going to go for too. And no one will bat an eye even though, with the exception of track, it is severely limited if anything like previous gen

I'd add, GTS excluded, F8X will do thousands of miles in comfort. With or without the family and luggage. Flawless ergonomics. Incredible looks. Excellent damping in almost all contexts. Front end traction for the ages (best turn in of any stock car I've ever driven). Probably won't hurt your cause on dates. Lot of car for <100k.

[robbo mcs]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

They already couldn't sell the F8X CS cars that did have DCTs, as people expect special stuff for bargain basement pricing.

I'm sure they will also struggle to sell the G8X CS regardless of transmission

USA maybe.
ROTW generally they didn't have problems selling any variant or special edition of the F82. Used GTS are selling above retail in some European countries.
Margins tend to be bigger as well

So although the USA is a massive market for them, it is not the whole deal

[stevehifi]

Here we go again, F8x owners thinking that their cars are going to better than the incoming G8x because its 100lbs lighter and you can more easily change brake pads...

the G8x (even with AWD) will drive better, stop better and accelerate better than anything that the F8x can throw at it (stock for stock). 100lbs or not.

Slap on some M performance parts, tires and pads and head to the track, no problem.

I've driven the x3m,... that motor is solid and that heavy ass vehicle drove like a bat
out of hell.

[USSEnterprise]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

Here we go again, F8x owners thinking that their cars are going to better than the incoming G8x because its 100lbs lighter and you can more easily change brake pads...

the G8x (even with AWD) will drive better, stop better and accelerate better than anything that the F8x can throw at it (stock for stock). 100lbs or not.

Slap on some M performance parts, tires and pads and head to the track, no problem.

I've driven the x3m,... that motor is solid and that heavy ass vehicle drove like a bat
out of hell.

One small correction. F8X owners are claiming their cars are going to be better at the track only, not the street. This is a track sub-forum after all.

It’s no different than E46 guys saying their cars are better than F8x on the track. And they are correct.

Light is right for the track. No two ways about it. My daily driver is a Lotus Evora, and if that car wasn’t as exotic and parts were available, I would be tracking that instead of an F8x. You just cant argue a heavier car is better on track with a straight face. It’s physics.

Evaluating a street car is an entirely different animal. And The G8X is going to be way way better than F8x as a street car. I won’t argue.

[stevehifi]

Originally Posted by xxaarraa

One small correction. F8X owners are claiming their cars are going to be better at the track only, not the street. This is a track sub-forum after all.

It’s no different than E46 guys saying their cars are better than F8x on the track. And they are correct.

Light is right for the track. No two ways about it. My daily driver is a Lotus Evora, and if that car wasn’t as exotic and parts were available, I would be tracking that instead of an F8x. You just cant argue a heavier car is better on track with a straight face. It’s physics.

Evaluating a street car is an entirely different animal. And The G8X is going to be way way better than F8x as a street car. I won’t argue.

I was talking about the track potential. Stock for stock on the track the G8x will still be faster. The S58 will be underrated and probably make about 580hp at the crank. I've driven the X3M, it's easy to tell the motor is much stronger than the S55. G8x will put power down better, corner better and have better MDM/traction control.

And I'm sure add a couple mods (suspension, pads, wheels/tires) I can't see how the f8x with the same mods will stand a chance (even with the added weight of the G8x)

Look at all these pig heavy cars: ZL1 1LE, GT350R, Vettes, even Viper ACR.. all 3600lb-4000lb porkers and they will eat the F8x for lunch on the track.