718 Cayman GT4

[Golfster]

https://newstv.porsche.com/en/

[Golfster]

Link also works for 718 Spyder.

These both sound fantastic with the NA engines.

[Humdizzle]

Carrera motor minus the turbos (not a GT3 motor)
0 HP gain
+30 ft/lbs
+30kg weight

Hopefully it will drive down first gen GT4 prices though

[SYT_Shadow]

I expected more, it'll still be too slow

I wonder if they'll hobble it with stupidly long gearing so owners that want to be a bit less slow have to spend $$ on gearing


Their desire to protect the 911 is annoying. At least give this thing 450hp and the PDK, then it still won't be faster than the GT3 but it will be closer in speed and a serious track weapon.

As it is it is another very nice car to drive 'in the mountains' and whatever. Sad

[Golfster]

+29 HP, +0 TQ per CandD:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...4-photos-info/

[CachacoF80]

I'd love have a GT4. But the bad thing is that you have to beg your dealer for an allocation and pay up a 20pct "market adjustment". Horrible practices nowadays and makes it less compelling to switch.

I'm not begging a dealer to give them my money :

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Carrera motor minus the turbos (not a GT3 motor)
0 HP gain
+30 ft/lbs
+30kg weight

Hopefully it will drive down first gen GT4 prices though

Yea, I’m not super impressed either. Will wait to see what owners get lap time wise but like I’ll be working on getting my deposit back.

I was really hoping for same or lesser weight, pdk and gt3 motor with 9k rpm redline

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Carrera motor minus the turbos (not a GT3 motor)
0 HP gain
+30 ft/lbs
+30kg weight

Hopefully it will drive down first gen GT4 prices though

The weight is mostly due to new regulations (ie particulate filters) and the fact that they have to give you stock weight rather than with options like PCCB and buckets - so it’s hard to compare apples to apples. Overall, the car is still 10 seconds faster at the Ring which is quite good given the car is a manual. The motor will be stout and I’m sure it will deliver in the same gushy (ie everyone loves it) way the 981 does. I also think the Spyder benefits a lot being on the same chassi this go round.

[mcc3456]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

The weight is mostly due to new regulations (ie particulate filters) and the fact that they have to give you stock weight rather than with options like PCCB and buckets - so it’s hard to compare apples to apples. Overall, the car is still 10 seconds faster at the Ring which is quite good given the car is a manual. The motor will be stout and I’m sure it will deliver in the same gushy way the 981 does. I also think the Spyder benefits a lot being on the same chassi this go round.

Already on the list for a Spyder allocation. It is going to be an amazing driver’s car. Guessing they hold their value even better than the last 2016 Boxster Spyder.

[uniqueMR]

NOT impress at all.

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by Golfster

Link also works for 718 Spyder.

These both sound fantastic with the NA engines.

The Spyder to have a 6 not 4? And if so, it’s going to be expensive!

[mcc3456]

Originally Posted by shortseller

The Spyder to have a 6 not 4? And if so, it’s going to be expensive!

$97k Base Price. Last gen Spyders have held their value extremely well. Some folks on here seem to think that it should be the fastest car ever, but that’s not really its reason for being. It’s really all about driver engagement, not outright speed, although it will still be pretty fast.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

Hopefully it will drive down first gen GT4 prices though

The large $15k increase in price will keep 981 GT4 from going down. 718 GT4 msrp is $99,200 plus $1,250 dest fee. Porsche wants in on some of that dealer markup money.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by mcc3456

Some folks on here seem to think that it should be the fastest car ever, but that’s not really its reason for being.

It’s a factory track day special, with trackside transponder lap timer option from the factory.

Manufacturer is being pretty clear on the reason for being, so car better bring the goods.

Will be interesting to see what lap times are like compared to previous car on the usual west coast tracks.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

It’s a factory track day special, with trackside transponder lap timer option from the factory.

Manufacturer is being pretty clear on the reason for being, so car better bring the goods.

Will be interesting to see what lap times are like compared to previous car on the usual west coast tracks.

Still faster than the 135k M4 GTS (on the Ring) that has a huge advantage in power to weight over it. And beyond that, it will be way better to drive, sound insanely good, and will actually hold value. Ultimately it’s still the entry level GT car but will put down very solid numbers like the 981 and will embarrass many more expensive cars.

The jump in price will also ensure 981 GT4/Spyders continue to hold value well.

[Flacht3]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

The large $15k increase in price will keep 981 GT4 from going down. 718 GT4 msrp is $99,200 plus $1,250 dest fee. Porsche wants in on some of that dealer markup money.

Unless Porsche floods the market with the new 718 GT4s. I'm already hearing allocations seem much easier to grab this time around.

Great for those in-market...seems those willing and wanting to pay $100k+ for a new 718 model will be able to get them, but that should also mean more people moving on from the 981 and bringing those prices down too.

I think you underestimate how many folks would prefer a new 718 for $100k than a 981 for $15k less. But it's good news for those wanting 981s.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by Flacht3

Unless Porsche floods the market with the new 718 GT4s. I'm already hearing allocations seem much easier to grab this time around.

Great for those in-market...seems those willing and wanting to pay $100k+ for a new 718 model will be able to get them, but that should also mean more people moving on from the 981 and bringing those prices down too.

I think you underestimate how many folks would prefer a new 718 for $100k than a 981 for $15k less. But it's good news for those wanting 981s.

The price is extremely reasonable! My 718 Cayman GTS (2018 model) had a sticker of 95k, my 991.2 S was 121k sticker and my Carrera T (2019 mode) was just about 125k. I think for 100k the GT4 will catch some premiums and honesty if I get/take my allocation I hope they do. Going to be an epic drivers car either way.

[itsTwigs]

Originally Posted by CachacoF80

I'd love have a GT4. But the bad thing is that you have to beg your dealer for an allocation and pay up a 20pct "market adjustment". Horrible practices nowadays and makes it less compelling to switch.

I'm not begging a dealer to give them my money :

They're not going to be limited

[damnitBobby]

I’ve never been into convertible cars but if I could have a weekend toy this Spyder is at the top of my wish list. I can only imagine with the top down it’s gonna sound so nice.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Flacht3

I think you underestimate how many folks would prefer a new 718 for $100k than a 981 for $15k less. But it's good news for those wanting 981s.

Long time rennlist member, well versed in current sentiment towards new Porsche GT models. 718 GT4 is not getting an overwhelming response over there. Honestly I see no reason to upgrade if you already own a 981 GT4. Unless you want pdk, which is said to be available mid 2020. A CPO 981 GT4 in mid to upper $80k range makes a very compelling argument vs a similar spec 718 at $110k+. Performance isn’t drastically different, this is more of a .2.

Spyder actually seems like the better value, even though I don’t like convertibles. 981 Spyder didn’t get the same GT3 suspension bits like the GT4. This time around the 718 Spyder and GT4 get all the same GT3 front suspension and Spyder is still less expensive. Very rare when convertibles cost less than their coupe counterpart.

[CachacoF80]

Originally Posted by Jimmyraww

They're not going to be limited

But has that stopped dealers from asking for market adjustments and other extra charges?

[E92LNGCGY]

Spyder is
Interesting to hear it is not limited production. Which could be good news for people that want one.