12-11-2013, 11:29 AM | #177 |
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I was looking for a fun cheap car to lease that was more practical than my GT-R.
Now people are saying this thing is going to over $1k a month for a lease. For $1250 I can get an M5. Do you all think this thing will be a 1000 dollar lease? I don't mind waiting until June but I am going to be upset if I wait until June only to find out that I have to pay M5 lease prices for an M3! |
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12-11-2013, 11:39 AM | #178 |
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DCT F80/82 numbers vs DCT E90/90 M3 numbers using the same predictor. |
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12-11-2013, 11:43 AM | #180 | |
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1: Incomes did not go up by 10% in 6 years. Income and inflation are two separate things, which usually reflect on each other. If not, the buying power of the public diminishes. If you have a inflation of 3% the raise in income should also be around 3% (or a bit higher). But inflation means that it's also more expensive to manufacture since all of the materials used in manufacturing becomes more expensive. To adjust for that, the price of the finished product also increases. So with an inflation of 10%, the price of commodities also rises by around 10%. If income only increased by 8%, then that means that some people that could just barely afford a M3 in 2007 will not be able to afford it in 2014... But anyway, according to WolframAlpha, the "National income year over year percent change" for the USA is 4,5% / year http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=income+usa So, I should say that the US average income has gone up by more than 10% over a 6 year period... 2. Please check the F30 pricing and tell me how much that one increased. How come the same rules don't apply there? If 328 went up by 12-15%, I wonder where BMW's sales would be. According to USNews the 2007 328i MSRP was $32,400 According to BMWUSA the 2013 328i MSRP is $37,300 That equates to a 15% increase in MSRP. Hmmm.... Yes, I do wonder what would have happened to 328i sales if they only adjusted 10% for inflation and not 15% Last edited by Boss330; 12-11-2013 at 12:00 PM.. |
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12-11-2013, 11:50 AM | #181 | |
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My current e92 M3 is almost 1K/month for 36 months, 15K miles/year. Texas has crazy taxes, and this is with 7 MSDs. Not to mention residuals will not be good on a new model.... |
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12-11-2013, 11:56 AM | #182 |
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12-11-2013, 12:13 PM | #183 | |
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I'm not saying that you and your friends earn more now than you did in 2007. But my friend, you represent a VERY small percentage of US population. Are you saying that the statistics are wrong and since you haven't had a pay rise, no one else in the US has either. Last time I checked there wasn't a deflation in the US... And now we need to consider the top 10%, where you previously stated that even the lower 20% in Manhattan and LA could afford a M3 BMW sales in the US increases as can be seen here: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=922796 Not sure who has the facts wrong here... First claiming the F8x had a 10% increase in MSRP without taking into consideration inflation and that the 328i would not sell if the increase had been around 12-15% Then claiming that the statistics on income increase per year must be wrong and have been less than 10% over 6 years Some research shows that: The 328i had a 15% increase in MSRP from 2007 to 2013 BMW set a new sales record in the US in November 2013 I rest my case |
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12-11-2013, 12:13 PM | #184 | |
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I don't think the F3X M cars will be that much more expensive than the outgoing E9X models, maybe a few thousand more. You start going above this it makes the 991 look more appetizing especially if you lease. Have you seen the 2yr. leases on 991s. Pretty darn good. Dave
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12-11-2013, 12:18 PM | #185 | |
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But, remember that the increase on just $300 was in the same year. Even the same month. You can't have a 15% increase over night, the increase needs to follow inflation. And, remember that the comparison between the E90 M3 and F8x was between a 2007 and a 2014 model. There is a 7 year time span here to consider BTW: The UK price for the 2014 F80 M3 is 2,5% higher than the 2012 E90 M3 (£56,175 vs £54,720). Meaning that there is only a 2,5% increase in MSRP from the 2012 model to the 2014 model. Less than inflation. Last edited by Boss330; 12-11-2013 at 12:27 PM.. |
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12-11-2013, 12:28 PM | #187 |
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We have not been discussing "real world" numbers here. Only official BMW quoted numbers...
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12-11-2013, 12:30 PM | #188 | |
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I need a car and have been waiting for the M3. That said, my interest in the M3 was only for a lease and I just think $1k+ for a 3-series car is silly, especially if M5's are going for $1200 range now. If your confidence in this matter is high and others agree with you, I'm gonna have to raincheck the M3 and find something else to drive until the new Mustang GT 350, Z06 are out OR M3 lease rates are competitive. |
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The F10 M5 saw a $15k price drop compared to the E60 M5 when it was introduced. Further, the recent free trade agreement between the EU and Canada should also give us another 6.1% duty break. So I am hoping the F8X will be priced on par with, if not less than, the outgoing E9X for us Last edited by CanAutM3; 12-11-2013 at 01:35 PM.. |
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i also question the prices of the M5 you listed. i see them on lots with sticker price of 110k all day. 1200 a month would be to low for normal lease payments. |
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12-11-2013, 12:48 PM | #192 | |
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But remember that the E90 M3 price in that post was from 2012 (last production year) and that the quoted F80 price is for a 2014 model. So the 2,5% increase is over a 2 year span. |
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