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      06-14-2021, 11:09 AM   #8383
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I was also in for a nice treat this weekend, see below what my student was driving. He owns a business that imports cars from Europe, this one is from France. And if anyone wonders about the colour, itís the original owner that had it painted. I was drooling all over it
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I was also in for a nice treat this weekend, see below what my student was driving. He owns a business that imports cars from Europe, this one is from France. And if anyone wonders about the colour, itís the original owner that had it painted. I was drooling all over it
Oh wow. Drool indeed.
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I was also in for a nice treat this weekend, see below what my student was driving. He owns a business that imports cars from Europe, this one is from France. And if anyone wonders about the colour, it's the original owner that had it painted. I was drooling all over it
Ooooo yesssssss! That CSL love!
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I just left Ontario Porsche…..


…I called prior to going and they told me a used 2021 992 Carmine Red Carrera showed up Wednesday or Thursday. I wanted to go test drive it since it had standard PASM and I'm still on the fence between PASM & SPASM. Anyway, as I am a block away from the dealer, I see the Carmine Red 992 pass me and I immediately said to myself, "Damn! That dude is going to buy that car before I can drive it." Ten minutes later the 992 pulls up and yep, it sold…….that fast. Sticker said $117k, but I'm sure it sold for a little more on top of that. I sat in it….and it was well kept with 1207 miles on it.
I have to say, S-PASM on my TT is quite stiff and can be jarring on bumpy roads, even in the "Normal" mode. My M4cs on MP-HAS felt more composed in the same setting.
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I have to say, S-PASM on my TT is quite stiff and can be jarring on bumpy roads, even in the "Normal" mode. My M4cs on MP-HAS felt more composed in the same setting.
I find even the sport suspension mode on my non S-PASM car to be overly stiff on regular roads.

In short, unless you are going to track the car, I don't know why anyone would get it.
So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?


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I find even the sport suspension mode on my non S-PASM car to be overly stiff on regular roads.

In short, unless you are going to track the car, I don't know why anyone would get it.
I wonder how different they feel between the 911s and Caymans etc. I have SPASM and find it to be just about perfect on the road. There is the occasional hard hit here and there but overall I really like it.
That's a good question.
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So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?
I have SPASM on my 991.2 and it rides way more comfortable than my M3 comp. I would definitely get it especially if itís your weekend car. If you plan to daily it and have bad roads then leave it off.

The lowering and handling improvements that you get with SPASM are very hard to beat.
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I was also in for a nice treat this weekend, see below what my student was driving. He owns a business that imports cars from Europe, this one is from France. And if anyone wonders about the colour, it’s the original owner that had it painted. I was drooling all over it
The OG OG! Love it! Did the LSB paint add weight or was the original properly stripped?
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So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?
I have SPASM on my 991.2 and it rides way more comfortable than my M3 comp. I would definitely get it especially if it's your weekend car. If you plan to daily it and have bad roads then leave it off.

The lowering and handling improvements that you get with SPASM are very hard to beat.


Is the lowering fairly noticeable on your 991.2?
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Is the lowering fairly noticeable on your 991.2?
Yes it sits as perfect as you can get from factory unless youíre comparing it to GT3 lol. There is definitely noticeable difference compared to a standard 991.2. Plus you get the extended front lip and rear spoiler that goes up higher to adjust for the aerodynamics. I believe 992 would carry over those features.
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Is the lowering fairly noticeable on your 991.2?
Yes it sits as perfect as you can get from factory unless you're comparing it to GT3 lol. There is definitely noticeable difference compared to a standard 991.2. Plus you get the extended front lip and rear spoiler that goes up higher to adjust for the aerodynamics. I believe 992 would carry over those features.
Yes, those features carry over although my car is coming with the AeroKit.
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So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?
I have SPASM on my 991.2 and it rides way more comfortable than my M3 comp. I would definitely get it especially if it's your weekend car. If you plan to daily it and have bad roads then leave it off.

The lowering and handling improvements that you get with SPASM are very hard to beat.


Is the lowering fairly noticeable on your 991.2?
I think the SPASM on the 991.2 had a bigger drop of 20mm compared to the standard car than the 992 which is 10mm lower, so it may be more noticeable on the 991.2 than on the 992.

That said, the difference between SPASM on the 991.2 and the PASM on the 991.2 was 10mm, and since the 992 comes with PASM standard I would imagine that it would be comparable to measuring a PASM 991.2 vs a SPASM 991.2.

Sounds like his thoughts on whether the drop is visibly noticeable on his 991.2 lines up with that.
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That's a good question.
I'm sure it has something to do with how a person's previous car(s) rode as well. I came out of a ZLE, so Fred Flinstones car would've rode like a Cadillac compared to that.

I will say this, I hated how my first civic M3s static suspension rode. It crashed over everything and was easily the worst car IMO for ride quality I ever had. Yes, even over the ZLE. The ZLE at least had a purpose to ride so rough, even that crashed (and other weirdness) less than than the OG 15 F80 IMO.
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So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?
As I have posted previously, you should not get S-PASM for the stance, the primary consideration should be the desired ride-comfort/handling compromise.
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So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?
As I have posted previously, you should not get S-PASM for the stance, the primary consideration should be the desired ride-comfort/handling compromise.
That's the conundrum I'm in. Both aspects are important to me, but not having any seat time behind the wheel of a SPASM 992 and very minimal seat time in a PASM 992 and non-PASM 991, it's a tough decision to make. I liked the way the non-PASM 991 I test drove handled and I liked the PASM 992 as well. Both felt like go karts. I find myself asking if I really need SPASM. It's a question that is difficult to answer. I do need a lower ride height though, so if it's not SPASM, it'll be TechArt or KW's HAS kits.
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That's the conundrum I'm in. Both aspects are important to me, but not having any seat time behind the wheel of a SPASM 992 and very minimal seat time in a PASM 992 and non-PASM 991, it's a tough decision to make. I liked the way the non-PASM 991 I test drove handled and I liked the PASM 992 as well. Both felt like go karts. I find myself asking if I really need SPASM. It's a question that is difficult to answer. I do need a lower ride height though, so if it's not SPASM, it'll be TechArt or KW's HAS kits.
You're not driving this car every day, correct? You want the most aggressive stance out of the box, correct? Porsche's PASM, SPASM, any kind of ASM is generally regarded as far more forgiving and comfortable than anything BMW M has ever made, correct? I think that would answer it for you.
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That's the conundrum I'm in. Both aspects are important to me, but not having any seat time behind the wheel of a SPASM 992 and very minimal seat time in a PASM 992 and non-PASM 991, it's a tough decision to make. I liked the way the non-PASM 991 I test drove handled and I liked the PASM 992 as well. Both felt like go karts. I find myself asking if I really need SPASM. It's a question that is difficult to answer. I do need a lower ride height though, so if it's not SPASM, it'll be TechArt or KW's HAS kits.
You're not driving this car every day, correct? You want the most aggressive stance out of the box, correct? Porsche's PASM, SPASM, any kind of ASM is generally regarded as far more forgiving and comfortable than anything BMW M has ever made, correct? I think that would answer it for you.
Haha! It's definitely not going to be a daily. I guess I'll just leave the SPASM in place. Ughhhh! My build doesn't lock any time soon. I wish it would so I could be done with this.

As for BMW, I have liked the way my M's have ridden in general, but I know the Porsche will be better in that regard.
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You're not driving this car every day, correct? You want the most aggressive stance out of the box, correct? Porsche's PASM, SPASM, any kind of ASM is generally regarded as far more forgiving and comfortable than anything BMW M has ever made, correct? I think that would answer it for you.
I would not agree with the above. My TT with S-PASM is far more jarring over the same roads than my M4cs with MP-HAS was. BMW really worked wonders with the M4cs damping and suspension tuning.
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I was also in for a nice treat this weekend, see below what my student was driving. He owns a business that imports cars from Europe, this one is from France. And if anyone wonders about the colour, itís the original owner that had it painted. I was drooling all over it
Amazing. Might as well swap it to manual if it's already been repainted & stuff.

How was the SMG on track after all the years?
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I would not agree with the above. My TT with S-PASM is far more jarring over the same roads than my M4cs with MP-HAS was. BMW really worked wonders with the M4cs damping and suspension tuning.
That's interesting, it's been a couple of years since I had the my M4CS with MP-HAS, I do remember being surprised how well it rode. I still don't find my SPASM Cayman being harsh/jarring etc compared to it or any of my previous cars. I've read that the Caymans in general ride more taught than 911s. I realize this is a obvious generalization as there are so many different configurations. The main complaint I've heard about most 911s, especially 992s is that they are too soft/GT like. The only recent 911 I drove was the previous gen 911T with SPASM. That thing felt almost exactly like my GTS 4.0.

It has been a long time though and you definitely have a lot more history with that setup/platform than I did. Maybe your thoughts will change a little after both you and the car have more miles together.
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That's interesting, it's been a couple of years since I had the my M4CS with MP-HAS, I do remember being surprised how well it rode. I still don't find my SPASM Cayman being harsh/jarring etc compared to it or any of my previous cars. I've read that the Caymans in general ride more taught than 911s. I realize this is a obvious generalization as there are so many different configurations. The main complaint I've heard about most 911s, especially 992s is that they are too soft/GT like. The only recent 911 I drove was the previous gen 911T with SPASM. That thing felt almost exactly like my GTS 4.0.

It has been a long time though and you definitely have a lot more history with that setup/platform than I did. Maybe your thoughts will change a little after both you and the car have more miles together.
Well that is the thing though, for Sedan he has to basically ride/drive the car to see if he needs it or not.

I was in a 718 GT4 and personally the ride quality for the car beats out any stock car from BMW. In fact, for me it feels close to how my KW DDC feels on my M3 currently on Sport setting. For me, it isn't jarring or uncomfortable.

Most online complain about the 992 ride because they are used to harsher suspension and ride. I don't personally think there is a wrong answer to what Sedan is wondering about but it would depend on how much he is willing to put into the car price wise and if he is going to keep the car long term. I am the type that, if I don't tend to change my suspension very often, then I avoid throwing too much... options into it. That's where I got with BMW. I like having the option to change of course but I am also lazy and just don't wana. If BMW did their suspension setup correctly, I wouldn't have to constantly play with it all the damn time.

I have left our Macan GTS on Sport suspension setting on the PASM and stopped touching it. Occasionally dropping it to drive like a sedan.
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That's interesting, it's been a couple of years since I had the my M4CS with MP-HAS, I do remember being surprised how well it rode. I still don't find my SPASM Cayman being harsh/jarring etc compared to it or any of my previous cars. I've read that the Caymans in general ride more taught than 911s. I realize this is a obvious generalization as there are so many different configurations. The main complaint I've heard about most 911s, especially 992s is that they are too soft/GT like. The only recent 911 I drove was the previous gen 911T with SPASM. That thing felt almost exactly like my GTS 4.0.

It has been a long time though and you definitely have a lot more history with that setup/platform than I did. Maybe your thoughts will change a little after both you and the car have more miles together.
Well that is the thing though, for Sedan he has to basically ride/drive the car to see if he needs it or not.

I was in a 718 GT4 and personally the ride quality for the car beats out any stock car from BMW. In fact, for me it feels close to how my KW DDC feels on my M3 currently on Sport setting. For me, it isn't jarring or uncomfortable.

Most online complain about the 992 ride because they are used to harsher suspension and ride. I don't personally think there is a wrong answer to what Sedan is wondering about but it would depend on how much he is willing to put into the car price wise and if he is going to keep the car long term. I am the type that, if I don't tend to change my suspension very often, then I avoid throwing too much... options into it. That's where I got with BMW. I like having the option to change of course but I am also lazy and just don't wana. If BMW did their suspension setup correctly, I wouldn't have to constantly play with it all the damn time.

I have left our Macan GTS on Sport suspension setting on the PASM and stopped touching it. Occasionally dropping it to drive like a sedan.
I am almost at a point where I'm just going to leave SPASM optioned on my car and let the chips fall where they may. Chances are that I won't be able to drive (m)any cars between now and December, so I'll never really know if SPASM was needed or not. I suppose when it comes to Porsche options, $1000 isn't really enough to make a difference one way or the other, but $1000 plus labor could be a HAS kit.
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I am almost at a point where I'm just going to leave SPASM optioned on my car and let the chips fall where they may. Chances are that I won't be able to drive (m)any cars between now and December, so I'll never really know if SPASM was needed or not. I suppose when it comes to Porsche options, $1000 isn't really enough to make a difference one way or the other, but $1000 plus labor could be a HAS kit.
I think it does depend if you are super picky about it.

So long as the car has PASM or SPASM you should be fine mainly because, compared to the stock steel shocks, PASM/SPASM is better in every way. Now... if you are doing it for the light drop than... maybe? I personally avoid doing any major modding for Porsche cars just because I don't like messing with cars like this. They aren't Civics that require things.
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