The new BMW M3 will never live up to your expectations

[Slowphiveo]

I wonder if Everyday Driver will do a new ICON film adding the G8x to the mix? In my opinion that was a better review of all the generations of the M3 (before the G8x).

[HarryTee]

I read all the comments in the thread and agree with many, but honestly couldn't watch the review itself. Completely put off from the beginning where Cammisa spit (into the face of viewers). It's gross!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by rmanm4

Im not sure I would take what he feels about the new G8X as gold. I owned a e46 M3 for 8 years, I've driven E92 M3 and the new G82. My gut and heart told me the F82 is a perfect upgrade from a E46 M3. The F82 is missing some soul that the e46 M3 had, specially around a corner, but the F82 just needs suspension upgrade to get there. The G82 felt too much like a 5 series car, it was fully disconnected from the e46 M3 chassis and feel.

You really need to drive all the generations to understand them! I didnt get a chance to drive a e30 M3, only a e30 325i. But I love the F82, its perfect balance of everything and for him to say its missing it all just tells me to take what he says with a grain of salt!

I agree with what you are saying.

My ///M experience peaked with the M4cs, it brought the “soul” that was missing in my previous F82 when compared to the E46 (at least how I remembered it) through less driver isolation. It was the perfect ///M for me. Cammisa really despised the F8X, so I takes his view with a grain of salt.

[CT_M3]

This is the fundamental sticking point. Cammisa then transitions into how the new 3 series is larger, more insulated, heavier, nothing like the past platforms. The question in the review then was whether the M3 iteration would maintain its M DNA.

Credit M Division. Their engineers pulled it off with spec tires, tweaked suspension and a revised power plant, in the face of more cost cutting measure from management (ZF). But there is the a fundamental shift here. The size, insulation, weight, and tech do dads have increased and are here to stay, and the new M3 lacks the rawness, involvement and just overall dimensionality of the prior old M3s.

If any here haven’t seen the new G 3 series up close, I urge you to take a look. Go to the local BMW dealership and play a game of what’s a 3 and a 5.

The M2 is now the old M3. All we need now is a sedan version to make the transition complete.

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

There is one thing that resonated with me very much that Cammisa said (which seems to be lost among many of the G8X guys) which is “BMW figured out how to graft the charms of a race car into a street car that you could just about live with every day”. This is what the M3 has always been to me - it is dual purpose by design but it is intended to be a bit rough around the edges with that “race car” esque charm. I never viewed M3s as comfortable executive family cruisers that were the ultimate compromise car… but that’s just a difference in perspective I guess and that’s not to take anything away from G8X, but there’s no doubt that there was a fundamental shift in perspective when it came to it (as alluded to by Cammisa)

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Slowphiveo

Cammisa hating the F8x is nothing new. He is at least consistent as he hated it since it first came out.

I think the biggest kicker is that Randy Pobst said the G8x is the best handling BMW he's driven in over 10 years. I don't fault any of you F8x owners for having an affection for your cars but the reality is that the G8x is a better track car and better daily driver. It's simply a better car. I realize this post won't be well received but sometimes the truth hurts.

[rmanm4]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I think the biggest kicker is that Randy Pobst said the G8x is the best handling BMW he's driven in over 10 years. I don't fault any of you F8x owners for having an affection for your cars but the reality is that the G8x is a better track car and better daily driver. It's simply a better car. I realize this post won't be well received but sometimes the truth hurts.

BMW did their job is what you are saying!

Of course BMW is going to make sure the new M3/M4 is faster around a track then previous model. This is what they do!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I think the biggest kicker is that Randy Pobst said the G8x is the best handling BMW he's driven in over 10 years. I don't fault any of you F8x owners for having an affection for your cars but the reality is that the G8x is a better track car and better daily driver. It's simply a better car. I realize this post won't be well received but sometimes the truth hurts.

For sure it is better performance wise, it is the latest generation, no one would expect it to be worse. How much better is what is in question. 7-years in in chassis and tire tech is substantial, and the latter element is very important. The weakest point of the F8X has always been its stock tires, BMW seem to have rectified that with the G8X.

[rmanm4]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

For sure it is better performance wise, it is the latest generation, no one would expect it to be worse. How much better is what is in question. 7-years in in chassis and tire tech is substantial, and the latter element is very important. The weakest point of the F8X has always been its stock tires, BMW seem to have rectified that with the G8X.

Tires, a S58 and weight is what it gained.

It lost DCT, a better chassis and looks.

[IB M]

Originally Posted by rmanm4

Tires, a S58 and weight is what it gained.

It lost DCT, a better chassis and looks.

It also lost the manually operated e-Brake which annoys me more than seems reasonable. This also resulted in a different rear caliper design.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by IB M

It also lost the manually operated e-Brake which annoys me more than seems reasonable. This also resulted in a different rear caliper design.

It’s reasonable. That dinky slider on a $85k+ car is a catastrophe.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I think the biggest kicker is that Randy Pobst said the G8x is the best handling BMW he's driven in over 10 years. I don't fault any of you F8x owners for having an affection for your cars but the reality is that the G8x is a better track car and better daily driver. It's simply a better car. I realize this post won't be well received but sometimes the truth hurts.

Every time you post its with assumed ignorance as though you’re breaking through confirmatory bias to the blind f8x masses. It’s repulsive. It’s repulsive because everyone is echoing their main points while disavowing anything that doesn’t have a similar air. I’m not mad, I have zero emotion. But this horse is nearly as dead as the cbc vs full fix debate.

The truth is VERY easy to discern without any rose tinted glasses on. The enthusiast following, sales data and aftermarket availability tell you from a brand belief, enthusiasts love the f8x and it’s been a success. No one in their right mind is saying the new m3 won’t have better performance on track with most if not all. I’m not sure who you and the like are preaching to. What you are consistent with is ignoring the biggest piece of the equation here, the owners connection to the overall offering. Lesser performance be damned, people love their f8x. People will likely love the g8x but for DIFFERENT reasons.

Instead we go round and round spouting the same sewage from thread to thread looking to change the hearts and minds of the other camp. Stop. Just stop

[swagon]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

We are also just completely blowing by the e36, which in its own right, is a beauty. I get it isnt very loved here on the F8x forums, but it is universally appreciated. First youtube video I have appreciated in quite some time that I disagreed with a few points.

I've come to appreciate it in recent years for sure.

Touring car dreams.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by swagon

I've come to appreciate it in recent years for sure.

Touring car dreams.

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My friend has a Technoviolet E36 Sedan that sadly never sees the light of day but when it does its gorgeous and drives just as great.

The E36 sadly suffers from Middle Child Syndrome, it sits between its younger and more beautiful sibling (E46), and its older and more historic, rare, and hard-edged sibling (E30) and thus always seems to be forgotten about, and of course the US got screwed on the powertrain, but I expect values to be higher as the cars age and become more rare (especially ones in good condition), luckily for my friend he got one when it wasn't as sought after.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by rmanm4

Tires, a S58 and weight is what it gained.

It lost DCT, a better chassis and looks.

You believe the F8X chassis is better than the G8X?

[rmanm4]

Originally Posted by WWM3

You believe the F8X chassis is better than the G8X?

Yes, just like the F87 is over the F8X. Go drive one back to back and you will see how bloated and heavy the G8X feels.

[bsmf8x]

The f80 looks better and has a DCT which feels raw & snappy.

The g80 wins in every other category, although not by a huge margin. Straight line is actually closer than you'd think, but the g80 is a better handling car.

But you can pickup a used F8x m3/m4 for under $50k which is a bargain (prob is gonna bottom out at 30-35k) compared to a 80-90k G80 which will be worth 50-55k in like 3 years.

[Humdizzle]

no m3 was the 'best' imo. they all did different things. I had a e36, 46, and f80. with a good amount of seat time in the e92.

The best M3 for me would be an F80 with the S65 or shelby voodoo. Turbos just give more drawbacks than benefits for me. You get better mpg, more outright power, less weight... but you lose responsiveness and sound.

[rmanm4]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

no m3 was the 'best' imo. they all did different things. I had a e36, 46, and f80. with a good amount of seat time in the e92.

The best M3 for me would be an F80 with the S65 or shelby voodoo. Turbos just give more drawbacks than benefits for me. You get better mpg, more outright power, less weight... but you lose responsiveness and sound.

Don't go and drive a Tesla then!

You going to lose your mind once all cars are electric in the future!

[Slowphiveo]

The G8x is better in pretty much every performance metric. No argument from me, or most for that matter. This not shocking considering that every generation of the M3 has improved upon the previous generation's performance. BMW would not have let the car go into production if this was not the case. Performance aside, the G8x still looks like partial birth abortion, and yes...this is pretty much universally accepted by most enthusiasts who don't have rose colored glasses. It's not the kind of car you are going to turn around and look at as you are walking away. The F8x is.

[ByeFelicia]

Originally Posted by rmanm4

BMW did their job is what you are saying!

Of course BMW is going to make sure the new M3/M4 is faster around a track then previous model. This is what they do!

Exactly. I never ever ever get anyones logic when they respond with "it's better performance than the last model."

Does anyone really expect a newer model of any product for purchase worse than the last? Straight boggles my mind.

[rmanm4]

The real test for the G8X will come with sale numbers once chip shortage is not as big of a issue in a year or so. By that time we will also know how many people continue to enjoy it or dump it for a G87 or something else. I have a feeling a G8X M3/M4 will get boring fast for most enthusiast that picked Auto/comp.

[melanthius]

For me it speaks volumes that G80 is heavier, torque converter, more power, and floating caliper, it's literally all I really need to know.

Not that it's not a great car. But those things matter to me.