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      01-02-2021, 05:15 PM   #89
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Agree 100% We see and hear it all the time. People hating on cars they have never been in or driven.

I was definitely NOT comparing and hellcat to a scat pac, but owning a scat pac was enough for me to know I definitely didn't want a hellcat. ( I've ridden in them and driven charger HC ).

My first BMW was a 2010 328i E93 and owning that car was enough for me to know I definitely wanted a M car...see what I am sayin?

Good luck out there! and don't blow that profit you made on a overly inflated used car market. If you can I'd wait it out a bit.
Agreed. Part of the reason I passed on the F80 was because I was not sure how inflated the price was compared to pre-COVID. Turns out, if I was going to buy one, I should've bought that one haha. Live and learn.

Underwhelming may have been the wrong word to use - it was just a different experience driving a twin turbo v-6 compared to a supercharged V-8 with 650 ft lbs of torque haha.

The other concern of mine is that my next car will not only be my daily, but it will also see a 4.5 hour (one way) trip once per month, half of which the roads sucks. I've read some reviews online discussing long term test in the F80 and it seemed like the majority of people thought it was too stiff. Thoughts?
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      01-03-2021, 10:23 AM   #90
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I would consider a HC Widebody if they were leasing in the low 600s like the standard ones.
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...Now I am in the market for another car. I am likely going to buy an F80 for two reasons. First, it has four doors. Second, it's a car my wife would also enjoy driving (she just wouldn't drive the Hellcat - too big, too loud.)...Don't get me wrong, it appears to be an awesome machine, but it was very underwhelming compared to the cat in every day driving...

Have you ever considered a Tesla Model 3 Performance? Amazing as a DD with very comfortable seats and a great audio/infotainment system, and the instant torque means that few cars are quicker in the cut-and-thrust of traffic.

Also surprisingly capable on back roads...
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      01-14-2021, 09:04 PM   #92
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Have you ever considered a Tesla Model 3 Performance? Amazing as a DD with very comfortable seats and a great audio/infotainment system, and the instant torque means that few cars are quicker in the cut-and-thrust of traffic.

Also surprisingly capable on back roads...
I haven't really. Mostly because I like to work on my cars and I feel like I'd be out of my league or parts would be difficult to come by for those cars.

I have no idea if either of those above statements are true though haha. Do Tesla owners buy their own parts and fix their own cars?
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      01-16-2021, 08:46 AM   #93
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I haven't really. Mostly because I like to work on my cars and I feel like I'd be out of my league or parts would be difficult to come by for those cars.

I have no idea if either of those above statements are true though haha. Do Tesla owners buy their own parts and fix their own cars?
Some do, and there is a fair amount of aftermarket support at this point, including:

https://www.mountainpassperformance.com/
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Hellll nooo that's a cuck thing to do
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      02-20-2021, 07:30 PM   #97
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Was riding shotgun in my buddies Hellcat today and I have to say that car is fking awesome. Would I trade m F80 for it? Uh no, but would I get one? I am seriously considering it. That car was absolutely bonkers.
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owning both cars ish not a hellxat exactly but my chally makes plenty of power more than I need ( 392 forged sc plenty of modz )I can say I need them both raw power challenger ,, to nimble handling m3 , can't say I could pick one or the other. m3 is a all around better machine but that challenger, hemi with a blower easy and cheap to make boat loads of tire ripping power idk if I could pick one
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With so many hellcats, mustangs and camaro's for sale these days make me wonder and say the original purchase was not a good one and they decided to upgrade it an M car.
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      05-28-2021, 10:14 PM   #102
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Have you ever considered a Tesla Model 3 Performance? Amazing as a DD with very comfortable seats and a great audio/infotainment system, and the instant torque means that few cars are quicker in the cut-and-thrust of traffic.

Also surprisingly capable on back roads...
I haven't really. Mostly because I like to work on my cars and I feel like I'd be out of my league or parts would be difficult to come by for those cars.

I have no idea if either of those above statements are true though haha. Do Tesla owners buy their own parts and fix their own cars?
I get the performance and technology is there, but it's a horrible looking car. Guaranteed you will never hear anyone say, "Hey, that's a bad ass looking car." It certainly isn't a panty dropper…unless you want a chick named Eleanor who writes SQL queries for a living and thinks the missionary position is risqué.
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People who would make the trade are the ones cutting out mufflers in M cars to make them rattle so you can hear them a mile away.

A heavy pig with shit interior and absolutely no real handling vs a precision and fun machine

Yes hellcat is faster in straight line, how many times would you see the difference? Once or twice? All the other times when you are not flooring the car it's you are driving a 25k charger with a loud exhaust
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I get the performance and technology is there, but it's a horrible looking car. Guaranteed you will never hear anyone say, "Hey, that's a bad ass looking car." I
I won't debate its aesthetics with you, but I will say that I've received more compliments on the looks of this car than on any other car that I've owned...

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      07-14-2021, 05:28 PM   #106
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Wow didn’t expect this much hate on here for hellcats lol

Probably wouldn’t trade my M4 in but I am planning on buying one soon and keeping my M as a daily. The widebodys just look so badass and that motor is crazy. Chrysler’s interior quality is actually really nice on their more expensive cars and suvs

Plus I just love how FCA keeps pumping out these 700hp cars and trucks while everything else is becoming sissified and electric
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I'd argue it's tough to have a remotely valid opinion unless you've lived with both. I traded my 2018 Charger Hellcat in for my (manual) F80 after having the Hellcat for 3 years. Getting a ride in a Hellcat, or going for a test drive, doesn't really qualify one's opinion (in my opinion ). It took awhile to be able to learn how to drive that car fast (properly), not just doing burnouts and highway pulls. But it was extremely rewarding once I did learn. Maybe some people cross shop these two, but I can't imagine why. When you've lived with both, you understand how different they are. Then why did I trade in my Hellcat? I wanted a sports car to enjoy in my more rural/backroads area. I wanted something with more luxury/tech. Each car has so much character that I consider myself privileged to have owned both. When people ask me about the cars I tell them that the Hellcat is a sledgehammer and the M3 is a scalpel.

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Not exactly a hellcat but I just picked up a fully loaded 17 Jeep GC SRT. Needed a SUV to tow and for winter. Keeping my M4

The interior is every bit as nice as a loaded RRS or X5M. Suede headliner, Harmon kardon sound system, Nappa Leather wrapped dash, dash trim, leather wrapped door panels, cooled seats, launch control, pretty much everything. The only think I like better the bmw is the ergonomics of the infotainment system.

Chrysler has come a very long way with their top of the line interiors, definitely better than anything Ford or Chevy have to offer. Plus when they break and are out of warranty the Dodge or Jeep will cost a couple hundred bucks to fix instead of a couple thousand with a M car
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I won't debate its aesthetics with you, but I will say that I've received more compliments on the looks of this car than on any other car that I've owned...

YMMV
I don't think it's necessarily a nice looking car, but if anything, because Tesla is associated with technological innovation and is still relatively unique, I am not surprised that you receive the amount of compliments you do. A self driving Tesla is much cooler to most non-car people than a loud M3 with a burble tune.

I disagree with the other guy, the Tesla is probably a panty dropper for some quality women.
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