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      11-19-2018, 11:52 AM   #89
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maybe the employee lease is a TAD more doable with that residual. 😜
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These low residuals should surprise absolutely no one. BMW has been milking the hell out of their ///M franchise for the past 5 years or so.

They've been expanding the lineup to the Nth degree, slapping ///M badges like whores on every series model and diluting the M3/M4 moniker in the process. Now the cows come home to roost.

Or something like that.

Next stop, 25-40% discounts on backed up inventory, slowing production and canceling some of these stupid redundant models.

And less ///M badges on series cars. Maybe that's a start.

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Yes, BMW is losing money on those $800 lease deal with 60% residuals.
I know its semantics but i think "losing money" is a bit overblown... it is more like BMW was not "making as much money" as they want to or think they can. I guess time will tell.

with this leasing change BMW raises profit per unit... and will sell less units... but will that actually net them more incremental profit? if it doesnt the lease cash or residuals will start to rise again.

In general i see them using the lease cash lever more than residual because at least they tie that margin hit to the sale date vs the residual impacts margins 3 years down the road
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      11-19-2018, 12:46 PM   #92
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No official word from BMW that residuals have been raised in M3 CS...

My honest opinion of BMW is that they are going away from leasing hoping to reestablish themselves as a brand who's car you can keep and be happy with for a longer period of time. Making the leasing less attractive will hopefully get people to buy rather than lease. Then BMW doesn't have to take take the losses they do when selling their off leased vehicles to dealers nationwide.
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      11-19-2018, 12:55 PM   #93
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Credit/incentives on the M3 CS and M4 CS now also match the standard M3/M4. Note: incentives may vary in your region.
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      11-19-2018, 12:58 PM   #94
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2018 M3 CS and 2019 M4 CS residuals have been raised and now match the standard M3 and M4:

M3 CS (2018MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual
M4 CS (2019MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual
I guess a couple weeks of no one jumping on the previous bad rates forced BMW to do something about it. Rates are still not great so interesting to see if this actually moves any of the CS cars.
Of course you are correct. If no one buys/leases the cars then BMW is forced to be more realistic about incentives. BMW was smoking some good stuff thinking an already overpriced CS would sell as a buy only car, then as a low residual car. I think it will still be a hard sell at today's residual because of its M5 MSRP.
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2018 M3 CS and 2019 M4 CS residuals have been raised and now match the standard M3 and M4:

M3 CS (2018MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual
M4 CS (2019MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual
I guess a couple weeks of no one jumping on the previous bad rates forced BMW to do something about it. Rates are still not great so interesting to see if this actually moves any of the CS cars.
Of course you are correct. If no one buys/leases the cars then BMW is forced to be more realistic about incentives. BMW was smoking some good stuff thinking an already overpriced CS would sell as a buy only car, then as a low residual car. I think it will still be a hard sell at today's residual because of its M5 MSRP.

As mentioned BMW has not posted an official bulletin to their dealer principles about an update in residuals... This is fake news until that bulletin comes from them...
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These low residuals should surprise absolutely no one. BMW has been milking the hell out of their ///M franchise for the past 5 years or so.

They've been expanding the lineup to the Nth degree, slapping ///M badges like whores on every series model and diluting the M3/M4 moniker in the process. Now the cows come home to roost.

Or something like that.

Next stop, 25-40% discounts on backed up inventory, slowing production and canceling some of these stupid redundant models.

And less ///M badges on series cars. Maybe that's a start.

Cool!
I think the decline in residuals is a result of BMW seeing the coming global economic slow down and not wanting to be caught with a bunch of over priced inventory 3 years from now. In other words they are planning ahead and being fiscally responsible based on the currently available economic data.
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As mentioned BMW has not posted an official bulletin to their dealer principles about an update in residuals... This is fake news until that bulletin comes from them...
I was offered a lease by my local store manager on a CS at these rates last week. It is out there and the bigger stores are already aware of it.
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2018 M3 CS and 2019 M4 CS residuals have been raised and now match the standard M3 and M4:

M3 CS (2018MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual
M4 CS (2019MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual
I guess a couple weeks of no one jumping on the previous bad rates forced BMW to do something about it. Rates are still not great so interesting to see if this actually moves any of the CS cars.
Of course you are correct. If no one buys/leases the cars then BMW is forced to be more realistic about incentives. BMW was smoking some good stuff thinking an already overpriced CS would sell as a buy only car, then as a low residual car. I think it will still be a hard sell at today's residual because of its M5 MSRP.

As mentioned BMW has not posted an official bulletin to their dealer principles about an update in residuals... This is fake news until that bulletin comes from them...
Forgive me, but I thought that Jason had inside contacts and that we could rely on his information. Am I wrong?
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As mentioned BMW has not posted an official bulletin to their dealer principles about an update in residuals... This is fake news until that bulletin comes from them...
I was offered a lease by my local store manager on a CS at these rates last week. It is out there and the bigger stores are already aware of it.
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      11-19-2018, 02:34 PM   #100
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BMW should have offered a CS variant with a manual transmission.
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      11-19-2018, 02:49 PM   #101
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Please use this thread as a master thread to discuss M3/M4 quotes, pricing, lease program, and the like.

This first post will be updated monthly with the latest lease program numbers (residuals, credits, incentives).

Please do not make dealer / salesperson recommendations or referrals in this thread. Thank you!


* Note: incentives may vary depending on your region

November 2018 Program:

M3 (2018MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual

$1000 loyalty credit (lease/APR)
M3 CS (2018MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual

$1000 loyalty credit (lease/APR)
M4 (2018MY)
15k miles / 53% residual
12k miles / 55% residual
10k miles / 56% residual

$3000 lease credit
$1500 loyalty credit (lease/APR)
M4 (2019MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual

$500 lease credit
$1500 loyalty credit (lease/APR)
M4 CS (2019MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual

$500 lease credit
$1500 loyalty credit (lease/APR)


[SIZE="1"]October 2018 Program:

M3 (2018MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual

$1000 loyalty credit (lease/APR)
M3 CS (2018MY)
15k miles / 43% residual
12k miles / 45% residual
10k miles / 46% residual
M4 (2018MY)
15k miles / 53% residual
12k miles / 55% residual
10k miles / 56% residual

$3000 lease credit
$1500 loyalty credit (lease/APR)
M4 (2019MY)
15k miles / 54% residual
12k miles / 56% residual
10k miles / 57% residual

$500 lease credit
$500 loyalty credit (lease/APR)
M4 CS (2019MY)
15k miles / 41% residual
12k miles / 42% residual
10k miles / 43% residual
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Lol all the dealerships in LA said they won't be leasing the CS's
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      11-19-2018, 03:02 PM   #102
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I got the following deal for a 2019 M4 Convertible.

MSRP: $87,235
Discount: $8,200.09
Rebate: $2,500

Price: $76,534.91

Tag: $95.50
Processing: $699
Tax: $3,205.21
Non-Tax fee: $176.47

OTD: $80,711.09

Also got 0.9% APR finance for 60 months.

Financed instead of lease.
How much is your monthly payment if you don't mind me asking? No need to give the exact number, just a rough estimate. Thx!
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I got the following deal for a 2019 M4 Convertible.

MSRP: $87,235
Discount: $8,200.09
Rebate: $2,500

Price: $76,534.91

Tag: $95.50
Processing: $699
Tax: $3,205.21
Non-Tax fee: $176.47

OTD: $80,711.09

Also got 0.9% APR finance for 60 months.

Financed instead of lease.
How much is your monthly payment if you don't mind me asking? No need to give the exact number, just a rough estimate. Thx!
I'd like to know as-wellllll
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I think the decline in residuals is a result of BMW seeing the coming global economic slow down and not wanting to be caught with a bunch of over priced inventory 3 years from now. In other words they are planning ahead and being fiscally responsible based on the currently available economic data.

Ok. That is a plausible, yet highly unlikely explanation. These companies grow or die. They will not "slow down" based on a forecast which may or may not come to fruition.
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No official word from BMW that residuals have been raised in M3 CS...

My honest opinion of BMW is that they are going away from leasing hoping to reestablish themselves as a brand who's car you can keep and be happy with for a longer period of time. Making the leasing less attractive will hopefully get people to buy rather than lease. Then BMW doesn't have to take take the losses they do when selling their off leased vehicles to dealers nationwide.
Take a look at how much extended warranties cost. BMW is not interested in me keeping my cars past factory warranty.
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BMW should have offered a CS variant with a manual transmission.
Agreed!

My local dealership has 4 M3/4 CS models and I know for a fact 3 have them have been now sitting for close to 8+ weeks!

If this car is mainly manufactured for enthusiasts, then yes please offer it with a Manual option!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope they do with the upcoming M2 CS?????
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      11-19-2018, 04:49 PM   #107
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I got the following deal for a 2019 M4 Convertible.

MSRP: $87,235
Discount: $8,200.09
Rebate: $2,500

Price: $76,534.91

Tag: $95.50
Processing: $699
Tax: $3,205.21
Non-Tax fee: $176.47

OTD: $80,711.09

Also got 0.9% APR finance for 60 months.

Financed instead of lease.
How much is your monthly payment if you don't mind me asking? No need to give the exact number, just a rough estimate. Thx!
When I plug those #s into a payment calc it comes to $1376.42/mo. That's with no $$ down.
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      11-19-2018, 09:39 PM   #108
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September 2018

MSRP 81,045
Discount (5,045)
Rebate (3,500) -- apr, loyalty
Dealer fees 699

2.5% financing

It was interesting that they were willing to increase the dealer discount equal to the amount of fleet/costco (500). Not sure why, and I didn't have a preference where it showed, so they took it out of the rebate line. I'm sure it worked in their favor somehow.
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Discount $8000
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M4

MSRP : $ 183,000.00
No discount nothing..

OTR: $ 190k. Welcome to third world country.
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Anyone know what the buy rate on the m3 is?

Lease Money factor.
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