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The GTS and CS were not worth ANYWHERE near their sticker prices and that was market adjusted accordingly with cars sitting, big discounts, and trade values/depreciation. Very good if you weren’t an early adopter. I thought about one but ended up with another 911, 991.2 T which I couldn’t be happier with and the fact that there aren’t many of those around either is good. Plus at 32xx lbs it’s quite light be today’s standard and quite a special car.
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For the price it can be had, the M3CS is the better car. I mean, it's a better car in general but that's in no way/shape/form a shot at the M2C. Those things are FAST in the corners.
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Get the CS. We were looking for something new after trading in my E92 M3 and initially hadn’t even considered the CS due to price. In the end we got a deal that is pretty much M4 ZCP pricing. The car is absolutely amazing and well worth it. I can see why it was even worth its original price (or at least close to it) as each of the tweaks they’ve done to it have just made it sublime to drive. Very daily driveable, just did a lake road trip in it!
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If you like the way the M2 drives compared to the M3... then i'd wait for the M2cs. They will probably hold value ALOT better than the M3/M4cs.
But the F80 looks alot better in my opinion.
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The GTS and the CS were clearly worth what they came out at, the thing is too many people are unsure of their worth as humans and if they are going to pay 100k (Cayman S with options) or 130k (911 S with options) they will always default to the ones with fancier badges. I mean, I kind of understand. If I were a hard parker or a paper racer I may feel the same. GrussGott look, just what we were discussing the other day! |
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Imagine how lame it is to spend all your time in a forum of a car you don't even own, trolling people while you praise at the altar of Porsche while you sit back and look at the power to weight and the Ring times of your car vs M3s. An M3 CS, or a M4 GTS, will tear a 991.2 'T' a new one so badly in any track that matters that it isn't even worth doing. But perhaps that is what already happened and what motivates the desire and energy to troll on M3post all day long |
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Nice, good to know. As fairly new member here I've noticed there seem to be quite a few P car praising lovers here for a BMW site. And even more threatening to change brands because of the large grill. Geez, the car is not even out yet. I mean yea they are great cars if but to me they are not in same category. I mean try taking your family out for a drive in a typical Porsche sports car regardless of the model. That aside, I just can't see myself driving a Porche anymore then I can see myself driving a Corvette. Again both great cars but just not my style.
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And yeah, it's interesting how many closet P car fanboys there are in a BMW forum. I wonder if you go to the Camaro/Porsche forum and there are people who spend all their time talking about how their BMW M/Ferrari (respectively) car is much better... and how long it would take to get banned. |
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So, 50-70k when the 992 equivalent is released? CS/GTS were exploitative. Carrera T, priced just right.
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Double the price of your 1LE with the base turbo Carrera engine, and the high privilege of Porsche permitting access to some of its parts bin. Plus cool cloth seats (or $5,200 buckets), colored door handle loops, and nonexistent weight savings.
“This one was for you, Porsche fanboys and wannabe GT3’ers. Thanks for the obscene profit.” – Porsche AG The manual-transmission car weighed 3221 pounds, eight pounds shy of a 2017 911 Carrera manual; at 3290 pounds, the PDK-equipped car was only 13 pounds lighter than a 2017 911 Carrera PDK we tested previously. The two cars' performance, similarly, shades their non-T counterparts. The PDK is the quicker of the two, hitting 60 mph in 3.5 seconds, or 0.1 second behind the Carrera PDK. Color us surprised by the Carrera T manual, whose 3.7-second run to 60 mph represents a 0.3-second improvement over the manual-transmission 2017 Carrera. Otherwise, generating 1.05 to 1.06 g of lateral grip on the skidpad along with 142- and 144-foot stopping distances from 70 mph covers territory trod by other Carreras. It's pretty rarified territory but not new-to-the-911 territory.
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Remember we live in an age of 100k CaymanS with options, a 4 banger. GT3 base price is 150k with zero options. Base 992 price 100k, average transaction is what, 130k? In that context, the CS/GTS/etc is priced where it should be. I also don't see anyone else really undercutting this. The C8 is really cheap if you get one with zero options, but reading the reviews that are out I'm not sure how a Z51 C8 is better than a F80 M3 for track use. You can get faster cars like a ZL1 1LE at a similar price to an M3, but it's still in the 70s and it isn't a daily driver, at all. Someone here wore out the shocks with 4k miles of street driving. |
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The ZL1 1LE actually isn't that bad on the roads, certainly no worse than my civic 15 M3 with static suspension or my civic M4 with adjustable. I actually think those two cars were worse than my ZLE ride quality wise and you certainly didn't get the performance from those civic M3/4 suspension that you do from the Multimatic setup as a trade off. The ZCP ride in my M3 wasn't a ton better either for a DD. That being said, yes the M3/4 are much better dailys than the Camaro of any variant. I didn't see that about the Multimatic shocks wearing out that quick. I've read everything I could and never came before I bought one and never saw that. Interesting and I'll keep an eye on it, thanks. Last edited by minn19; 10-29-2019 at 01:20 PM.. |
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Porsche can pull whatever it wants off, as it has the planet's biggest fanboys. I wonder if the Ferrari fanboys are that bad. Prices are just going up around the board. Before long we'll have a 100k base M3, but I also expect the gap between it and a 911 to be pretty stable. If you add CCBs to an M product that cost is irrelevant to the gap between P and M cars. If there is some reason which prompts you to put CCBs on an M4 it should also prompt you to do so when optioning a 911. The M4 CS you looked at probably had CCBS, so discount them and you're left at 110k. What does Porsche offer at that price? The CS comes the way you want to buy it. How much do you have to add to the 911 to get there? In this link you can see the amish edition 911 S is 115k without options. As tested, 150k. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/ In the universe where a 911 S is 150k I don't see why BMW cannot sell a CS at 110k. A friend has a manual 991.1 GTS. MSRP 148k and he doesn't have any special options like CCB. A typically optioned Cayman S is 100k... I don't understand why an F80 is overpriced in the same context as the 100k, 4 cylinder car. 4 cylinder!! Like my Mini! About the ZL1, I agree that sounds off, but it was someone on this board. It came up in this subforum.
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