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      03-06-2023, 12:36 PM   #1
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QQÖ..anyone have experience of Litchfield and their tuning for our BMWís?
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QQÖ..anyone have experience of Litchfield and their tuning for our BMWís?
No, not much. A few over on cutters have done over the years. But itís not really proven to be a popular route for the masses.
My first tune was with Alpine MSS back in 2017.
I had always used a local tuner before that (used the same one for years on all my previous cars), and would again, if I wanted a ďpermanentĒ map.
But I like to be able to change maps & have the ability to change other parameters & reset adaptations whenever I want.
So Iíve been with BM3 for over 4 years. Great, easy to use platform, with decent tried & tested maps. With what you get for your money, itís pretty untouchable imo.
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      03-08-2023, 12:56 AM   #3
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No, not much. A few over on cutters have done over the years. But it’s not really proven to be a popular route for the masses.
My first tune was with Alpine MSS back in 2017.
I had always used a local tuner before that (used the same one for years on all my previous cars), and would again, if I wanted a “permanent” map.
But I like to be able to change maps & have the ability to change other parameters & reset adaptations whenever I want.
So I’ve been with BM3 for over 4 years. Great, easy to use platform, with decent tried & tested maps. With what you get for your money, it’s pretty untouchable imo.
a custom(hand written tune) will always be superior to a generic tune like you are saying,proper rolling road dyno tune is for that specific car..im not saying your bm3 is bad,but getting a custom tune from say jason at bwchiptune is much better,also diagnostics before and after,he would not tune a car with any fault,where as putting a tune on your car without testing is not good in my eyes,
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      03-08-2023, 01:13 AM   #4
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a custom(hand written tune) will always be superior to a generic tune like you are saying,proper rolling road dyno tune is for that specific car..im not saying your bm3 is bad,but getting a custom tune from say jason at bwchiptune is much better,also diagnostics before and after,he would not tune a car with any fault,where as putting a tune on your car without testing is not good in my eyes,
You are quite right. Hence usually my regular tuner.
Iím not going to get into BM3 with you, ETTO on that. You can get individual tuning on it by the way, logging & all.
Litchfield are a proper outfit & I would certainly consider using them if local.
BW Chiptune, wouldnít touch them with a barge pole.
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Litchfield use Ecutek which not only gives you a remap, but the ability to have different maps easily switchable via the steering wheel controls.. so you can one map for 95ron, or another one for cold/wet days where you need the torque/power turned down (or even a valet mode, if the car goes for a service). They've done numerous S55 remaps and have a good database of maps now.

Used them for the last 10yrs on other cars without issue, will get mine done in a few months once I've done the crankhub fix (as a precaution).
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      03-08-2023, 08:53 AM   #6
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Litchfield use Ecutek which not only gives you a remap, but the ability to have different maps easily switchable via the steering wheel controls.. so you can one map for 95ron, or another one for cold/wet days where you need the torque/power turned down (or even a valet mode, if the car goes for a service). They've done numerous S55 remaps and have a good database of maps now.

Used them for the last 10yrs on other cars without issue, will get mine done in a few months once I've done the crankhub fix (as a precaution).
Iím in Dublin and interested in using them to as they seem very knowledgeable.


Which crank hub fix did you get?

Thanks.
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      03-11-2023, 05:41 PM   #7
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Another upvote for BootMod3, their flexfuel map offers the ability to vary map from 95 to 98 RON maps as well as CS map. Can also modify maps yourself with likes of torque reduction to produce a smoother torque curve.
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Another upvote for BootMod3, their flexfuel map offers the ability to vary map from 95 to 98 RON maps as well as CS map. Can also modify maps yourself with likes of torque reduction to produce a smoother torque curve.
I think that type of map will suit me perfectly.

I hear and read so much about capture plate suiting a stage 1 and then others saying itís a waste of money and get full crank hub fix

So itís hard to know.

Ball park does a Bootmod bring a 2018 F82 comp from 450bhp to circa 520bhp?

Or forgetting figures for a moment, is the power gain really noticeable on the road?

Thanks.
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      03-12-2023, 07:16 AM   #9
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If using 98RON fuel stage 1 Bootmod3 will be around 520bhp, but given only 95RON is available in ROI 500bhp will be more achievable and safer.

Wouldn't worry too much about the whole crank hub issue, just enjoy the car, though I do have a capture plate, if it does spin I'll upgrade to full fix then.

And yes the difference between standard comp and stage 1 is noticible. On bootmod3 there are a few free maps like GTS which bumps power to 480ish bhp, which I actually prefer especially for track use.
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If using 98RON fuel stage 1 Bootmod3 will be around 520bhp, but given only 95RON is available in ROI 500bhp will be more achievable and safer.

Wouldn't worry too much about the whole crank hub issue, just enjoy the car, though I do have a capture plate, if it does spin I'll upgrade to full fix then.

And yes the difference between standard comp and stage 1 is noticible. On bootmod3 there are a few free maps like GTS which bumps power to 480ish bhp, which I actually prefer especially for track use.
Thanks for the info.

Iíve tried an additive from Murray Motorsport that should bring the 95 pump petrol to 98 and it does seem to give better throttle response

There is a tuner in Liverpool that will do the insane 4 pin crank hub for £2k so was thinking of that and then want possible tunes could follow

Whatís the max bhp with stock turbos and Bootmod?

Would 550bhp be possible?
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      03-16-2023, 03:03 PM   #11
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Thanks for the info.

Iíve tried an additive from Murray Motorsport that should bring the 95 pump petrol to 98 and it does seem to give better throttle response

There is a tuner in Liverpool that will do the insane 4 pin crank hub for £2k so was thinking of that and then want possible tunes could follow

Whatís the max bhp with stock turbos and Bootmod?

Would 550bhp be possible?
You will only see up to around 550hp with catless downpipes & a stage 2 93 octane map (98 RON). Their OTS map anyway. You may achieve slightly higher with an individual BM3 tune, (F80 Paul for example), but weíre only talking marginal gains here without more stock equipment changes such as turbos.

Iíve been running stage 2 for 5 years. Never bothered with a CH mod. I firmly believe it was always well over exaggerated with a lot of scaremongering.
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      03-16-2023, 03:28 PM   #12
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You will only see up to around 550hp with catless downpipes & a stage 2 93 octane map (98 RON). Their OTS map anyway. You may achieve slightly higher with an individual BM3 tune, (F80 Paul for example), but weíre only talking marginal gains here without more stock equipment changes such as turbos.

Iíve been running stage 2 for 5 years. Never bothered with a CH mod. I firmly believe it was always well over exaggerated with a lot of scaremongering.
Thanks for the insight.

So youíve had circa 550bhp from stage 2 and itís on a completely stock crank hub?
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Thanks for the insight.

So youíve had circa 550bhp from stage 2 and itís on a completely stock crank hub?
Yes.

As is almost everyoneís to be fair.
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Iím in Dublin and interested in using them to as they seem very knowledgeable.


Which crank hub fix did you get?

Thanks.
Will be going for the full crank hub fix.. these guys get lots of good reviews on fb and have done hundreds (including via their local dealers in the south).
£1899 fully fitted
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Will be going for the full crank hub fix.. these guys get lots of good reviews on fb and have done hundreds (including via their local dealers in the south).
£1899 fully fitted
Great to see you mention him as Iíve been in touch and heís booked out for a month but gonna try to get over in Mid April.

Heís proposed a great package.

Bootmod stage 2
Downpipes
Insane crank hub.

Hopefully thatíll keep me closer to the 992 Gt3 crew !
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Will be going for the full crank hub fix.. these guys get lots of good reviews on fb and have done hundreds (including via their local dealers in the south).
£1899 fully fitted
Interested to see how it goes for you - that seems like a good price. Iím going to keep mine for a few years now and itís stage 2 already so fancy the piece of mind. Let us know how the install goes?
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David Welch from DRW is very very good and has loads of experience working on the M platform and by all accounts is a really nice guy also. you will be in safe hands there !
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David Welch from DRW is very very good and has loads of experience working on the M platform and by all accounts is a really nice guy also. you will be in safe hands there !
I only spoke to him briefly but he was very honest in terms of the best value for money and his prices are very reasonable.

£2000 for an insane crank hub install is so worth it even just for the piece of mind.

Everytime I pin it or downshifting when hard on the brakes and need a little engine braking I wonít have to even think anout a slip
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@jay did you get this done in the end ? jaylazy2020
I did. And I am over the moon!

Dave literally knows everything and is very down to earth.


I got the ferry from Dublin to Holyhead.

1hr 50 mins from Holyhead to his place in Liverpool.

Collected it by the end of the following day and he had done

Insane hub
Vrsf downpipes.
Vrsf charge pipes
Exhaust cam re alignment(as I think I had the cold rattle)
Ngk plugs
Bootmad stage 2


Itís a whole new level and the best part is in M1 efficiency mode itís completely as before

But Jesus when you open the valve The overrun is like a machine gun

Power and torque is significantly more everywhere.

I got from Calais to Stuttgart in 5 hrs 40 mins

Itís epic on shell v power or 99ron fuel in Germany

I hit 293km/h 183mph easily.

I canít rate Dave high enough.

You have to get a stage 2 from him

Iím planning to keep my F82 for at least another two years now.
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