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      11-06-2019, 12:29 PM   #199
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I can't seem to find it again now-- Jason Cammisa posted it after talking with some of the chassis engineers.



I have about 0% confidence in online reviews of anything suspension related. 98% of people make their car handle worse when they change the suspension.
Based on Jason C feedback, f80 is a steaming pile of do-do that needs to be sent to the crusher, but we owners/former owners know it’s just some camber plates, 275 wide front/305 wide rear tire and brake pads away from being a great dual purpose track toy.

My guess is some alignment tweaks and different tire will have a transformative effect on the c8z51 but we’ll see how it all plays out.

I personally have more faith in owners in the track section of a platform’s forums than Jason C hyperbole
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I can't seem to find it again now-- Jason Cammisa posted it after talking with some of the chassis engineers.

I have about 0% confidence in online reviews of anything suspension related. 98% of people make their car handle worse when they change the suspension.
Yes, precisely, and his comments/reviews on suspension in particular.

Praised the GTS on street, trashed its track handling. Failed to mention that ride height and/or thousands of possible 3-way damper adjustments & combinations might make it work better.

Given the range of adjustments, must be pathways to greatly improved C8 track handling. Whether the reviewers will find them, who knows. Doubt it. They have quotas and deadlines to meet, and "THE C8 IS AN UNDERSTEERING MESS!" will get more clicks than "Here's how the C8's track handling can be dialed in." If Chevy is smart they'll deliver the thing idiot proof for track testing, unlike BMW M.

Like nicknaz said, BMW should be taking note on the adjustability front.

And if Chevy continues with past practices, they'll publish C8 track prep alignment guidance. Yes, improvements or screwups could happen from there, but the starting point won't be guesswork.
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      11-07-2019, 10:59 AM   #201
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Vette visualizer was over capacity this a.m. when I tried it.
The visualizer has been over capacity since it launched. This thing is going to sell like hotcakes.
Exactly...everyone and their brother will have one. A dime a dozen, just like the chargers and challengers. And they will all have their balls hanging out wanting to "race you". No thanks. Way too over styled and "hey look at me" for me personally. I'm surprised there is so much interest in it on a F80/82 forum. Two COMPLETELY different cars.
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      11-08-2019, 04:31 PM   #202
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Exactly...everyone and their brother will have one. A dime a dozen, just like the chargers and challengers. And they will all have their balls hanging out wanting to "race you". No thanks. Way too over styled and "hey look at me" for me personally. I'm surprised there is so much interest in it on a F80/82 forum. Two COMPLETELY different cars.
A huracan performante or 600LT is pretty aggressively styled and “hey look at me”, so if there’s a car like c8z06 that delivers similar performance and some of the looks (due to mid engined proportions) at 1/3 the price I personally am going to consider it.

I am hoping the c8z with the max track attack add ons will look like the factory racer, with the flat plane v8 sounds and track performance potential to back up the styling

That being said, I currently have an old 911 turbo with foot tall gt2 wing, an exhaust named “superloud” and wide wheels with a “dish” look. So maybe I’m just “that guy”
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      11-20-2019, 02:28 PM   #203
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I will stay away from Generation 1 of this. Just never been a fan of Vette reliability.
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      11-20-2019, 09:15 PM   #204
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The rear half of the car is cartoonish, gimmicky, awkward, clunky and looks like a Korean/Hundai copy of the NSX. Needs stagered or larger rear wheels and softer angles.
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Coming from a former GM employee, I'd definitely advise against the 1st year model. Lots of unproven technology (from GM) that will have to get sorted out during the first model year, not including the service/support at a dealership. I was hoping the would have tested bits n pieces in former cars (as was the plan) to flesh them out... but alas.
This is the only reason I ordered a new 2020 M4 comp, and I definitely was not waiting for the 2021 M4, that grill is hideous !!!

I look at all the info on the new Vette, but I was really concerned about all the new technology that was put in the car, just like it was stated above, I’ll let them get through the growing pains first.
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saw the new vette at the MIA car show. pretty good looking. The z06 looks will not dissapoint . the only thing i cannot stand is that huge ass steering wheel
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      11-26-2019, 08:40 AM   #207
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The car is amazing. But if there is no manual option I won't make the switch.
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Remember, "the vette gets 'em wet" guys lol
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Yes, precisely, and his comments/reviews on suspension in particular.

Praised the GTS on street, trashed its track handling. Failed to mention that ride height and/or thousands of possible 3-way damper adjustments & combinations might make it work better.

Given the range of adjustments, must be pathways to greatly improved C8 track handling. Whether the reviewers will find them, who knows. Doubt it. They have quotas and deadlines to meet, and "THE C8 IS AN UNDERSTEERING MESS!" will get more clicks than "Here's how the C8's track handling can be dialed in." If Chevy is smart they'll deliver the thing idiot proof for track testing, unlike BMW M.

Like nicknaz said, BMW should be taking note on the adjustability front.

And if Chevy continues with past practices, they'll publish C8 track prep alignment guidance. Yes, improvements or screwups could happen from there, but the starting point won't be guesswork.
Randy Post review of the C8 with street/track alignment thoughts. Apparently the C8 has an even greater range of adjustability than the C7.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...-track-review/
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Randy Post review of the C8 with street/track alignment thoughts. Apparently the C8 has an even greater range of adjustability than the C7.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...-track-review/
Nice write up, but not exactly a glowing Randy Pobst, whom I know really well, given his demeanor when he really likes something. Midcorner understeer and snap high speed throttle oversteer . . . not a good combination.
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Nice write up, but not exactly a glowing Randy Pobst, whom I know really well, given his demeanor when he really likes something. Midcorner understeer and snap high speed throttle oversteer . . . not a good combination.
Not expecting it to be the best handling car of all time out of the box. Just showing that the track alignment does in fact make a difference.

Performance wise, its not perfect but has more bandwidth than any $65-70K car(1LT w/Z51) has any right to..
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Randy Post review of the C8 with street/track alignment thoughts. Apparently the C8 has an even greater range of adjustability than the C7.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...-track-review/
Awesome. Back to back street vs. track alignments -- what a great way to test and demonstrate the adjustability and track performance gains.

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Nice write up, but not exactly a glowing Randy Pobst, whom I know really well, given his demeanor when he really likes something. Midcorner understeer and snap high speed throttle oversteer . . . not a good combination.
So, you're devaluing the actual article and video content in favor of Randy's emotions and demeanor that you know so well? Maybe he skipped coffee that morning, had leftover turkey for lunch, or just completed a race weekend?

Could embed numerous glowing comments, but I'd be essentially quoting the entire article. You're seeing what you want to see.

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Not expecting it to be the best handling car of all time out of the box. Just showing that the track alignment does in fact make a difference.

Performance wise, its not perfect but has more bandwidth than any $65-70K car(1LT w/Z51) has any right to..
Hey, that's what it has to be around here for approval. Because for generations M cars have been track destroyers in stock form. Like my E90s -- stock brakes were good for at least 1/2 hot lap, power steering reservoir only overflowed after 10 minutes of action, limp mode regularly within reach due to temps, seat supportive enough to hold you somewhere left of center with a knee braced against the door, -1.1 camber potential... Just, perfection.
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I ended up backing out and got my deposit back. I'll wait for Z06 to launch. Plus it'll give them time to work out any issues.
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. You're seeing what you want to see.
That’s always how it is with fans.

Try discussing advantages of android phones to hardcore Apple users

The more compelling the facts are, the more fans reject them irrationally (it’s actually been shown in academic literature)
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