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01-27-2014, 10:28 PM | #111 |
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Not denying any of that man. But as you yourself said, by capitalizing and selling the car to masses, they are losing those a "few" enthusiasts that you mention (which are the hardcore M3 guys on this forum). Not that you, BMW, me, or anyone cares.
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01-27-2014, 10:31 PM | #113 |
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Well I do care to an extent, that means every other average joe will be driving one too so the exclusivity goes out the window. Look at GTR, I may only see two a week. I see m3s, c63amgs all over all the sudden (cheaper now).
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01-27-2014, 11:11 PM | #114 |
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We will see. Is it as much of an animal as engine in P1 or 918 or even the new engine in C class AMG
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01-27-2014, 11:21 PM | #115 | |
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Actually, I think I'd prefer the charity car...means I got more value than the company did!
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01-27-2014, 11:26 PM | #116 |
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Agree - amazing how a company like Porsche can deliver more of what enthusiasts want but still make SUVs and Sedans for the 'non enthusiast' consumers. And by the way, those 'non enthusiast vehicles' actually are the best handling/driving vehicles in their categories. All the while, Porsche has been able to have the highest profit margins of any automobile company (yes, even before they were bought out by VW). Bigger is not necessarily better.
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BMW could make the best handling sedans and SAV and keep it's core enthusiast happy it it wanted to, but they'd rather just sell to the masses. .
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Bingo all three are important factors. This is why generally speaking the higher performance and more track oriented a car is, the more rear weight bias it will have compared to 50-50. F1 is not the best example since they develop absurd aero downforce, but they too must handle at low speed without crazy downforce. They too have a significant rear weight bias. Sure, you can always find cars that handle well with 50-50 or even a slight front bias but they are fighting the physics...
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There will be independent reviews (not by BMW DTM drivers who are paid by BMW), tests, comparos with the competition and let's see the results, the car is not even out for sale yet and we are already making it a winner, I think it is too early, lets wait.
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01-28-2014, 02:30 AM | #124 | |
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Based on my experience and what I've read on vehicle design, chassis setup, etc. it seems to me that 50:50 is a good target for a car that is fairly neutral; fun but also safe and easy to control. 40:60 is closer to what you want for the fastest lap times. |
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Great points. I won't lie, the anticipation and marketing hype in the air is beginning to feel similar to the excitement leading up to the release of the f30 cars. We all know how that went. And to me, the f80 will be such a radically different car than the e90/92 that it's impossible (statistically) that all these people will be pleased. Artificial sound, I-6 / V-8, EPS, forced induction, larger dimensions, ... |
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Edit: Oops, you meant tunes as in "original-BMW-tuned-by-M-division." |
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01-28-2014, 08:57 AM | #130 | |
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So credit to BMW for at least trying to get as close to 50/50 as possible, instead of just doing an Audi and creating nose heavy cars. Without adding ballast, it's probably not realistic to expect a 40/60 weight distribution on a M car. |
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01-28-2014, 09:16 AM | #132 |
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Hear hear. Seriously, this absurd quote results in a 6 page thread? Come on guys, I expect more.
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