F80 M3 LCI Speculation

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by PrometheusM3

It is so frustrating that this thread needs to exist. BMW slow-playing the LCI in the E9X was totally unnecessary; doing it again with the F3X/F8X is borderline insulting.

As southlight correctly pointed out earlier, three and a half years into the seven year production run is the standard LCI timeline. Nothing is being delayed here nor has it been in the past.

I do agree that BMW's choice to revert back to older tail light technology for the initial releases of the E90 and F30 is in poor form.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Once the B48 and B68 engines arrive we'll definitely get more power. Whether we get new model name(s) to go with them is a separate matter in my mind. I could see it going either way.

We will likely see the new I6 arrive next year with the 4GC. Perhaps the I4 too.

Unless BMW also changed the way they name their models, then upgraded power (hp) always equal an upgraded model name. Now more than ever with turbo engines having several power levels within the same motor.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Technic

Unless BMW also changed the way they name their models, then upgraded power (hp) always equal an upgraded model name. Now more than ever with turbo engines having several power levels within the same motor.

The N20 brought more power to many models but the names remained *20i, *25i, and *28i. The E90 changed to the N52 and got more power as a result, but the top models remained the 325i and 330i. Recently, the N63 was upgraded to the N63Tu and got 10% more power - all models remained *50i. Other examples surely exist - those are just the ones that came to mind.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The N20 brought more power to many models but the names remained *20i, *25i, and *28i. The E90 changed to the N52 and got more power as a result, but the top models remained the 325i and 330i. Recently, the N63 was upgraded to the N63Tu and got 10% more power - all models remained *50i. Other examples surely exist - those are just the ones that came to mind.

That's true...

[N.S.A]

Originally Posted by Mahzari

I don't know why people are surprised every time. Look at the E90 M3 (introduced in 2008, LCI in 2009 with new taillights, new iDrive, etc.) and the F10 M5 (introduced 2012, LCI in 2014 with new lights, grills, Comp Pack, etc.).

Personally, I think it's worth waiting and picking up the first year of the LCI F80 M3.

I agree with you sir or ma'm

[N.S.A]

BMW typically after 2 years after they introduce a new model, they come out with the LCI version of the model in terms of face lift and back tail lights,hood, kidney grills, etc. It is not surprise. the X6 and the X6M got a face lift and they came out with LCI of m5 next year.

[Art__Vandelay]

I know, the car isn't even delivered yet, but what do you think when is the facelift (LCI) of the F80 to be expected? Since the F30 is produced since February 2012, the facelift should come about the end of 2015 (MY 2016). Do you think they will bring the facelift of the F80 at the same time or will they bring it at the same time as the facelift of the F82 (which will probably be in early 2017)? As much as I remember, the facelift of the M3 E90 came about the same time as the E90 3 series. But not sure if it will be the same with the F80.

Since I never buy first year models, the M3 comes to question for me in 2015 anyway. So, if they would bring the facelift in late 2015, I would wait a few months more. But because of the uncernaity I don't know how I should proceed.

[mkoesel]

Yes, end of 2015 for MY2016.

The F80 will be facelifted at the same time as the F30. Though "facelift" is a bit misleading since the face of the F80 itself is unlikely to change, while the face of the F30 will of course.

[Art__Vandelay]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Yes, end of 2015 for MY2016.

The F80 will be facelifted at the same time as the F30. Though "facelift" is a bit misleading since the face itself is unlikely to change.

Sorry, I've used the german name for LCI ("facelift"). Can someone please edit the title to avoid misunderstandings, thanks.

So, it's sure that the LCI of the F80 will come already in late 2015 and thus almost 2 years before F82? Well, that's good news.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Croatian test driver

Sorry, I've used the german name for LCI ("facelift"). Can someone please edit the title to avoid misunderstandings, thanks.

It's Ok, I meant that comment to be tongue-in-cheek. I refer to it as a facelift sometimes too, and so do others. It's just a generic name for a model update. Most cars receive front end changes but typically not the M3.

So, it's sure that the LCI of the F80 will come already in late 2015 and thus almost 2 years before F82? Well, that's good news.

It's not a guarantee, but it is a very good bet.

F30 came almost two years before the F32 so it's only natural that their respective LCIs will be similarly separated.

[Rockette]

Maybe not at all. Remember the E46 M3 never adopted the 3 series headlights, only the tails. LED tail lights aren't that big of a deal to me either.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Rockette

Maybe not at all. Remember the E46 M3 never adopted the 3 series headlights, only the tails. LED tail lights aren't that big of a deal to me either.

Same with the E90M and E92M. The LCI didn't touch the front of the car. That said, LED blinkers are a big deal.

But the real question is: when will ZCP be introduced? With the F30 LCI or the F32 LCI? If the introduction of ZCP for the F1xM was any indication, then it will be timed with the introduction of the F30 LCI, not the F32.

[Art__Vandelay]

Originally Posted by Rockette

Maybe not at all. Remember the E46 M3 never adopted the 3 series headlights, only the tails. LED tail lights aren't that big of a deal to me either.

Yes, I actually had not particularly reffered me to te face/front of the car, it was probably a misleading term. It's generally about the LCI of the F80. Sure, the LCI of the F30 will be in late 2015, but who knows, maybe they'll wait longer with the LCI for the F80 this time. The production cycle of the F80 is expected to last until about 2021 (at least until end of 2020), so it would be actually pretty early if the "(mid-)life cycle impulse" comes already in late 2015.

Moreover, if the F80 gets some new parts (especially full LED tail lights, but some other goodies as well) about 2 years earlier than the F82, it could make the F80 more modern and kind of more attractive (for some customers) in this specific period, which might not be the intention of BMW, as it sometimes seems to me as if they are pushing the M4 a bit more.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Croatian test driver

The production cycle of the F80 is expected to last until about 2021 (at least until end of 2020)...

No, that can't be right. We should expect seven years just like every other platform in recent history. That means the Gxx replacement can be expected at the beginning of 2019. So late 2015 is indeed mid-cycle.

By the way, the the G10 and G30, which are the F01 and F10 replacements respectively, are coming right on schedule according to latest news. And since all RWD Gxx share a single, highly-flexible modular matrix (similar to VAG MLB), we can expect the same for the Gxx 3 Series as well.

Moreover, if the F80 gets some new parts (especially full LED tail lights, but some other goodies as well) about 2 years earlier than the F82, it could make the F80 more modern and kind of more attractive (for some customers) in this specific period, which might not be the intention of BMW, as it sometimes seems to me as if they are pushing the M4 a bit more.

They will handle this the same way they did with the E9x cars. That is, the coupe and convertible (and Gran Coupe this time, at least the F36 - no F86 is confirmed yet) will get the non-exterior-aesthetic technology upgrades that come with the sedan and touring (and GT this time, at least the F34 - no F84 is confirmed yet) LCI to keep relative feature parity between the two. It's not a special case, really. BMW frequently does running updates to multiple models at once that share similar components.

[Art__Vandelay]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

No, that can't be right. We should expect seven years just like every other platform in recent history. That means the Gxx replacement can be expected at the beginning of 2019. So late 2015 is indeed mid cycle mid-cycle.

Yes, the F30 will be replaced at the beginning of 2019, so exactly 7 years after production start. I thought the F80 could be built a little bit longer, since it's released almost 2.5 years after the F30. But yes, as much as I remember, it was similar with the M3 E90, which means the F80 will actually only be biult less than 5 years.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Croatian test driver

Yes, the F30 will be replaced at the beginning of 2019, so exactly 7 years after production start.

Actually, to be precise, F30 production started late 2011 instead of early 2012, but that is an anomaly that probably won't effect the platform EOL nor this discussion. I figured I'd mention it anyway though.

I thought the F82 could be built a little bit longer, since it's released almost 2.5 years after the F30. But yes, as much as I remember, it was similar with the M3 E90, which means the F80 will actually only be biult less than 5 years.

Right, nothing new here. Indeed the F32 and F82 will be around longer than the F30 and F80, just as in the past with the coupe trailing behind the sedan. This staggering is why the LCIs are staggered as well. As such, there has been no effort in the past to combine LCIs into to one rollout, and we should not expect it for the F8x either.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by Croatian test driver

Yes, I actually had not particularly reffered me to te face/front of the car, it was probably a misleading term. It's generally about the LCI of the F80. Sure, the LCI of the F30 will be in late 2015, but who knows, maybe they'll wait longer with the LCI for the F80 this time. The production cycle of the F80 is expected to last until about 2021 (at least until end of 2020), so it would be actually pretty early if the "(mid-)life cycle impulse" comes already in late 2015.

Moreover, if the F80 gets some new parts (especially full LED tail lights, but some other goodies as well) about 2 years earlier than the F82, it could make the F80 more modern and kind of more attractive (for some customers) in this specific period, which might not be the intention of BMW, as it sometimes seems to me as if they are pushing the M4 a bit more.

E90 got refreshed tails the 2nd year. E92 3 years later.

Damn just looking at 2020/2021 as years is crazy. By then i would expect a full carbon half electric half ice super m3.

Im sure then ppl will be saying wtf i4 turbo with electric motors?! Ill keep my i6 LOL.

[MaxRulz]

So I've been thinking about my next car (I always need something to aim for) and after seeing the few deliveries so far I am just in love with the F80. However, I do have about 1-1.5 years until the ball and chain will let me. Any idea when the LCI is likely to be out given the F30 has been out a while?

Stupidly early question I know. Please forgive me

[Blindside_137]

My guess is just 1-2 years for the sedan.

And about 2-3 for the coupes and convertibles.

I think that's about what it was for the E9X from about 08-09 for the E90 and then 08-11 for the E92/3

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

My guess is just 1-2 years for the sedan.

And about 2-3 for the coupes and convertibles.

I think that's about what it was for the E9X from about 08-09 for the E90 and then 08-11 for the E92/3

And they never updated the headlights for the E9x M.

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by gblansten

And they never updated the headlights for the E9x M.

Yea I bet they don't do it again here with the F8X. Just update the tail lights is my guess.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

Yea I bet they don't do it again here with the F8X. Just update the tail lights is my guess.

Agree. The tail lights are really the only thing crying out for an update.