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7:24.22: Nissan GT-R (2011) 12/2010 I know there was a time when bashing the GT-R was acceptable. But it has more than proven itself, it has built a very solid reputation and benchmark. Sure it has a launch start, bet the M4 will too. I was talking about closed circuit track, not straight line. Quote:
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06-18-2013, 08:46 AM | #24 |
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Is that a accurate characterization of the present discussion?
Without taking sides, I'd say that there have been some reasonable points made by yourself, and also reasonable counterpoints made by others. I don't see bashing here. However, I do think that the GTR is an arbitrary car as a basis for comparison, at least in the context of an absolute measuring stick for the M4s legitimacy. And it isn't really on-topic for this thread. If you want to start another thread about it, sure (though there may already be one which you can add to). Later when we have a "vs." forum here, such threads will be moved to it. |
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06-18-2013, 02:04 PM | #25 |
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I for one love the GTR. It's a legimate supercar for almost entry level sports car price. I just think there are far more important things for BMW to focus on when trying to make the new M3 an epic drivers car than scrambling to try to beat the GTR around the ring or on the drag strip. I.e I'm not bashing the GTR in anyway, rather the opposite, it's a performance bar so high that I think trying to equal or better it risks moving focus off other more important challenges with the new M3 as FI and EPS.
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06-18-2013, 08:39 PM | #26 | |
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As you can see, a lot of these are practically racing cars or supercars. The M3/M4 is premium indeed but isn't close to being in this super league. However, this isn't about the GT-R, so on topic, I'm sure the M3 will look aggressive and perform better than the E90/92 M3, but if they can keep the weight to 3300lbs or less, that will catch my attention. Also good to know they'll continue to offer the manual gearbox. |
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06-19-2013, 02:06 AM | #27 | |
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To discuss expectations for the M4/M3 comparing it to the E92 isn't enough. It is a given that it will/has to be incrementally faster. But if Bmw did their work well, as Porsche has in its latest 2014 GT3 edition. They must have reversed engineered the GT-R to pieces to design the M4. The GT3 now has the dynamic control on all 4 wheels (only 2 wheels on previous GT3) same as the GT-R did in 2008. It has only the PDK option and they've added back wheel steering to the equation. If they follow the same recipe for the turbo version then watch out GT-R. Without 4 wheel traction control the M4 would have to be impossibly lighter to still be a believable contender in that league. |
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