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12-06-2013, 03:30 PM | #89 |
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My $0.02.....
First, the value issue. Yes, the Mustang is and always will be a tremendous performance value. For all cars, however, as you go up the food chain, you get diminishing returns. Is a 911 turbo S worth $70k more than a GTR? This is very similar to the Mustang GT/M4 comparison. And for that matter, is a Bugatti Veyron worth 12 times the cost of a 911 Turbo S? The Mustang is very hot looking. It doesn't have a bad line on it. The higher end models will really be something, I think. And....if GM can work wonders on the interior of the Vette, who's to say that the higher end Mustang models won't also have more upscale interiors and refinement. Time will tell.
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everyone talk about quality of bmw and sitting in it how its great, i have the f30, and the quality of interior is ok, nothing special, everything squeaks, when you close the door the window slams, its just not as special as everyone is making it to be
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Track times can matter but they are subjective too. For example do an Autocross in a Corvette ZR1 (arguably one of the best handling corvettes made) and watch as a kid in a Ford Fiesta ST laps you. There was topgear episode where a Mercedies AMG defeated a Masarati Gran Turismo on their track all because the AMG just powered through the track. It had nothing to do with Handling as the Masarati was superior there but AMG had so much power that it could make up for its chassis's short coming with torque and horsepower. Another great example of a car that if it had a lesser engine its laps times would be god awful.. The Mustang GT500. That car has the handling of a brick and its track times show. |
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No Ecoboost motor for the S197 Mustang, shows you know absolutely nothing about Mustangs...question whether you even drove one... |
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Does anyone actually feel the 3 series is luxurious at all? If Ford steps it up even a notch it'll be right there with the 3er. I find it funny we're saying how terribly the mustang is when their newer models and this one will be a lot better inside. At the same time when people just talk about the 3 series in general, people complain that the leather isn't that great and matierals are cheaper than they should be at that price point. I think BMW is trying to distinguish the 3 from the 5. The 5 is definitely luxurious, but the 3? Not so much, especially at the price point. |
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12-06-2013, 03:45 PM | #97 |
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Rumor is that the GT500 model (or whatever they decide to call it) will have a flat-plane cranked FI V8 and the Boss 302 will have an NA variant of that same engine.
NA flat-plane crank V8! Yes, please.
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Looks like a 4series, Accord Coupe and current Mustang mated...
It is a looker. Gt350 and Gt500 will monsters! Let's hope the 2.3lt ecoboost 4-cyl is put into a Focus RS with AWD!
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A darn nice looking car. I do see some definitely 911 in the rear as the other poster pointed out. This will be a serious competitor against a whole slew of cars, BMWs and BMW M's included. The lack of a DCT though could be a deal breaker. Can't wait to see some lap times and tests of the GT500 or Boss 302 or whatever the equivalent versions will be. The 302 did what it did with a solid rear axle! I'll be "shopping" this car for sure.
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But in the previous comparison vs. the e92 m3 it lost only by .1 on the track. It had way more body roll and didn't look as good as the m3 on the track but still a .1 difference. Keep in mind that was with a live axle setup. The new one will have irs and will be much better on the twisties.
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Motor Trend has now confirmed:
-Ventilated front seats -Rev-matching manual transmission -Launch control -Recaros (obviously you don't the heat/ventilation with this option) |
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I'm not a fan of the headlights. They make it look too european. In my mind, the mustang is cool because it's an american muscle car, and this just doesn't really look like one. I am happy they are working on handling, but the headlights are just a little too progressive for me.
other than that, I think it's gorgeous
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Of course my 335 looks better to me and feels way better but EVERYHING else performance wise he wins.
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