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      08-31-2021, 06:46 PM   #11485
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What that photo doesn't show is the huge rate of speed at which the G80 is gaining on the F80.
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Hey man, just reporting facts. The G80 was the only car in my run group that I couldn't catch.
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Hey man, just reporting facts. The G80 was the only car in my run group that I couldn't catch.
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Hey man, just reporting facts. The G80 was the only car in my run group that I couldn't catch.
And I couldn't catch a lot of much slower cars on track. Driver plays a huge role here.

Nobody's disputing the G80 is the faster and more capable vehicle, though; it'd be pretty dumb of BMW not to sell a product that's objectively better than the last one.
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And I couldn't catch a lot of much slower cars on track.
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Dude, fucking Takumi Fujiwaras in shopping carts totally hauling ass. 130 hp and probably 800kg lighter. At least I found out I'm secure enough not to get my ego bruised by a French baguette car.

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Nobody's disputing the G80 is the faster and more capable vehicle, though; it'd be pretty dumb of BMW not to sell a product that's objectively better than the last one.
Yep, that’s all I’m saying. It’s a capable performance car, even if you think it’s ugly. I’m not trying to convince anyone to love it.
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      08-31-2021, 11:08 PM   #11492
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Dude, fucking Takumi Fujiwaras in shopping carts totally hauling ass. 130 hp and probably 800kg lighter. At least I found out I'm secure enough not to get my ego bruised by a French baguette car.

I got my ass handed to me by a Cosworth but looking at the interior it was a proper track car build.
It's actually a nice car to look at when it goes past.

Don't see many Cosworths around anymore unfortunately.
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I got my ass handed to me by a Cosworth but looking at the interior it was a proper track car build.
It's actually a nice car to look at when it goes past.

Don't see many Cosworths around anymore unfortunately.
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I got my ass handed to me by a Cosworth but looking at the interior it was a proper track car build.
It's actually a nice car to look at when it goes past.

Don't see many Cosworths around anymore unfortunately.
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Now browsing the net for used Sierra winter beaters. This is what zero sleep does to me
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Yep, that’s all I’m saying. It’s a capable performance car, even if you think it’s ugly. I’m not trying to convince anyone to love it.
THat's the problem right there: nobody falls in love with an ugly "capable performance car".

Lots of people might be willing to look past the ugly, but that usually only lasts for little bit, then it gets old.

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I saw a new black BMW today near the Yongsan Electronics Market in Seoul. I noticed the diamond-cut wheels and the roofline first and actually said, “Ooo…” Then I saw the prolapsed rear bumper, and my surprise turned to disappointment as I realized it was a G80.

I’ve generally been comfortable with the side profile. The roofline and rear fenders look F8X enough to suggest evolution at work. It’s true that the dark colours hide the hideous. It took several long seconds for me to realize what I was looking at. As I kept walking toward the crosswalk I knew I was about to see the front. I cringed.

Thankfully, the light turned green and away it went. It was the only car at the light that made any exhaust noise.

On Monday my coworker said, “You’ve got some competition for BMW supremacy here. I saw a guy driving the new M3 at (location) and I didn’t think I’d like it, but the front end is so aggressive.” I replied that the M5 CS we have seen running around is the real king of the hill.
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I saw a new black BMW today near the Yongsan Electronics Market in Seoul. I noticed the diamond-cut wheels and the roofline first and actually said, "Ooo…" Then I saw the prolapsed rear bumper, and my surprise turned to disappointment as I realized it was a G80.

I've generally been comfortable with the side profile. The roofline and rear fenders look F8X enough to suggest evolution at work. It's true that the dark colours hide the hideous. It took several long seconds for me to realize what I was looking at. As I kept walking toward the crosswalk I knew I was about to see the front. I cringed.

Thankfully, the light turned green and away it went. It was the only car at the light that made any exhaust noise.

On Monday my coworker said, "You've got some competition for BMW supremacy here. I saw a guy driving the new M3 at (location) and I didn't think I'd like it, but the front end is so aggressive." I replied that the M5 CS we have seen running around is the real king of the hill.
Nah it's aggressively repulsive.

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Merc's opening salvo in the performance hybrid era, an F1-inspired nuke. See no reason why they're not set up to dominate this space.

831 hp, 1,031 lb ft, 0-124 mph < 10 seconds.

https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...0MDYyNg!!&rs=0

The first performance hybrid from Mercedes-AMG is entering series production and draws on technologies from Formula 1. The concept includes a distinctive drive layout with electric motor and battery on the rear axle as well as a high-performance battery developed in-house. The Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S E PERFORMANCE combines superior performance and impressive driving dynamics with maximum efficiency thanks to its special powertrain. The E PERFORMANCE model thus transfers the DNA of AMG Driving Performance into the electrified future. The combination of 4.0-litre V8 biturbo engine and electric motor generates a system output of 620 kW (843 hp) and a maximum system torque of more than 1,400 Nm. The electric drive's immediate response at the rear axle, rapid torque build-up and improved weight distribution make for a new, highly dynamic driving experience. As in Formula 1, the battery is specifically designed for fast power delivery and draw. The electric range of 12 kilometres allows a practical operating radius, for example in the city or in residential areas.







In the ongoing thread theme of deducing interest/enthusiasm from various indicators, this AMG release vid has a like rate of 10%+ at the moment. G82 M4 release vid, 0.12%.
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Merc's opening salvo in the performance hybrid era, an F1-inspired nuke. See no reason why they're not set up to dominate this space.

831 hp, 1,031 lb ft, 0-124 mph < 10 seconds.

https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...yNg!!&rs=0

The first performance hybrid from Mercedes-AMG is entering series production and draws on technologies from Formula 1. The concept includes a distinctive drive layout with electric motor and battery on the rear axle as well as a high-performance battery developed in-house. The Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S E PERFORMANCE combines superior performance and impressive driving dynamics with maximum efficiency thanks to its special powertrain. The E PERFORMANCE model thus transfers the DNA of AMG Driving Performance into the electrified future. The combination of 4.0-litre V8 biturbo engine and electric motor generates a system output of 620 kW (843 hp) and a maximum system torque of more than 1,400 Nm. The electric drive's immediate response at the rear axle, rapid torque build-up and improved weight distribution make for a new, highly dynamic driving experience. As in Formula 1, the battery is specifically designed for fast power delivery and draw. The electric range of 12 kilometres allows a practical operating radius, for example in the city or in residential areas.

[IMG]https://www.cnet.com/a/img/resize/2a...#38;width=1092[/IMG]

[IMG]https://www.cnet.com/a/img/resize/e1...#38;width=1092[/IMG]



In the ongoing thread theme of deducing interest/enthusiasm from various indicators, this AMG release vid has a like rate of 10%+ at the moment. G82 M4 release vid, 0.12%.
Will there be a C63S that is not a hybrid?
This GT having a V8 hybrid made me curious if the new C63 will get some V8 love too and not 4cyl

The technical specs sounds pretty nice but the car looks too soft which have been my main issue with most of their cars.
Wish they'd make the AMGs look more mean or like the C63 black series.

After watching the video I'm wondering where the engine noise is.
Is it going to be that muted that they won't even try to highlight it?
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Will there be a C63S that is not a hybrid?
This GT having a V8 hybrid made me curious if the new C63 will get some V8 love too and not 4cyl

The technical specs sounds pretty nice but the car looks too soft which have been my main issue with most of their cars.
Wish they'd make the AMGs look more mean or like the C63 black series.

After watching the video I'm wondering where the engine noise is.
Is it going to be that muted that they won't even try to highlight it?
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Believe the 4 cylinder is confirmed for the upcoming C63. Based upon renderings they do seem to be trending more aggressive, agreed that would be a good thing. Design speculation at 19:15 here



Combination of fake and real sounds in the GT63 S E --

Usually, the Performance hybrid starts silently ("Silent Mode") in the "Comfort" driving mode when the electric motor is switched on. In the instrument cluster, the "Ready" icon signals that the vehicle is ready to drive. In addition, a powerful, sonorous start-up sound typical of AMG is emitted in the interior via the vehicle's loudspeakers as acoustic feedback showing readiness to get going. Slight pressure on the accelerator pedal is all it takes to set the AMG Performance hybrid in motion.

When driving on all-electric power, the legally required Acoustic Vehicle Alerting System warns the surroundings that the Performance hybrid is approaching. A specially composed low-frequency, speed-dependent AMG sound is emitted to the outside via single loudspeakers at the front and rear. The sound can also be heard at a subdued level in the interior, as acoustic feedback for the passengers. In the European Union the system is active up to 20 km/h, in the USA up to the equivalent of approx. 30 km/h. After that, the driving signal fades out harmoniously up to approx. 50 km/h.

At higher speeds, the customer can select the sound experience between "balanced" and "powerful" using the sound buttons in the centre console or on the steering wheel (recognisable by a frequency wave symbol): When driving on all-electric power, either a discreet or a powerful sound experience is generated. When the combustion engine starts, the selected setting influences the sound of the exhaust system. In every situation, one thing remains the same: under all conditions, the Performance hybrid is immediately recognisable as an AMG by its sound.
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Will there be a C63S that is not a hybrid?
This GT having a V8 hybrid made me curious if the new C63 will get some V8 love too and not 4cyl

The technical specs sounds pretty nice but the car looks too soft which have been my main issue with most of their cars.
Wish they'd make the AMGs look more mean or like the C63 black series.

After watching the video I'm wondering where the engine noise is.
Is it going to be that muted that they won't even try to highlight it?
Tires screech and music :
C63 will still be the M139 4-Cylinder (thanks to emissions) from the A/CLA 45 but will be utilizing the hybrid technology showcased in this GT4D and also likely be a plug-in. The lesser tier models (C43/53, name not determined yet) will not be traditional hybrids/PHEV's, but will receive the 48-Volt Mild Hybrid System and Integrated Starter Generator from cars like the E and CLS 53.
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Merc's opening salvo in the performance hybrid era, an F1-inspired nuke. See no reason why they're not set up to dominate this space.

831 hp, 1,031 lb ft, 0-124 mph < 10 seconds.

https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaS...0MDYyNg!!&rs=0

The first performance hybrid from Mercedes-AMG is entering series production and draws on technologies from Formula 1. The concept includes a distinctive drive layout with electric motor and battery on the rear axle as well as a high-performance battery developed in-house. The Mercedes-AMG GT 63 S E PERFORMANCE combines superior performance and impressive driving dynamics with maximum efficiency thanks to its special powertrain. The E PERFORMANCE model thus transfers the DNA of AMG Driving Performance into the electrified future. The combination of 4.0-litre V8 biturbo engine and electric motor generates a system output of 620 kW (843 hp) and a maximum system torque of more than 1,400 Nm. The electric drive's immediate response at the rear axle, rapid torque build-up and improved weight distribution make for a new, highly dynamic driving experience. As in Formula 1, the battery is specifically designed for fast power delivery and draw. The electric range of 12 kilometres allows a practical operating radius, for example in the city or in residential areas.







In the ongoing thread theme of deducing interest/enthusiasm from various indicators, this AMG release vid has a like rate of 10%+ at the moment. G82 M4 release vid, 0.12%.
Very curious to test out this powertrain. I am a big fan of the electrical assist that is used in my CLS and find that it really changes the feel and experience of the engine, especially in power delivery, almost more naturally aspirated in feel, as torque fill is used from the electric supercharger to mitigate any turbo lag and create a progressive build in power. While the GT63e doesn't use this same technology, I imagine the electric motor/battery will function in a similar process, since the purpose of the battery/motor is more for performance than economy/range (at least outside of emissions).
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Very curious to test out this powertrain. I am a big fan of the electrical assist that is used in my CLS and find that it really changes the feel and experience of the engine, especially in power delivery, almost more naturally aspirated in feel, as torque fill is used from the electric supercharger to mitigate any turbo lag and create a progressive build in power. While the GT63e doesn't use this same technology, I imagine the electric motor/battery will function in a similar process, since the purpose of the battery/motor is more for performance than economy/range (at least outside of emissions).
Agreed. Aside from the weight gain, which is a non-factor for a daily, I'm all for hybrid tech. Would prefer hybrid to turbo alone, no experiential or objective downsides as far as I'm concerned.

The flexibility of this powertrain from full E mode to thundering V8 should make for a very dynamic, interesting driving experience. Imagine it'll be a $200k price point, though.

Also have a lot of confidence in AMG's ability to calibrate all of this tech and allow for individual customization as well. The various drive modes in the C63 S are really well done, as is the 9 stage traction control
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Funny thing is the M2 fanboys were hating on Sunset Orange at launch of Competition. Whining about Mineral Grey not being available.
That would be me when I had my M2. I just don't like orange/bronze colors as IMO the don't look good in anything but direct sunlight. That said I respect that others may like what I don't.
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