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View Poll Results: S65 option or S55 standart ? | |||
YES ... I would choose the S65 if an option at this price would be availiable |
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93 | 45.81% |
NO ... I would choose the standart S55 engine |
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110 | 54.19% |
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12-20-2013, 02:09 AM | #111 | |
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it has plenty of low end power for daily driving and getting around town. but the fun factor i agree may lack on the low end. but my god when it gets going in the high RPM range to me its all worth the "wait". funny story today. i saw a friend getting gas, it was 2AM no one was around. i got the car going 1-2 gears. my friend said when he heard my car and the DCT shifting. he thought at first it was a exotic car. i guess the S65 is just not for everyone |
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I've also read way too many of the torque debates before so I don't want to get into that again. The E9x M just doesn't feel as lively outside of its powerband as the M156 C63 or even a LS3 Camaro. That's not the same as saying the E9x M3 is not as quick, just how its power is delivered. |
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But who wants to get in to the whole OHC vs OHV debate... lets just leave as "there both good engines" Last edited by BigNorm4Life; 12-20-2013 at 08:56 PM.. |
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12-20-2013, 10:16 PM | #122 | |
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where did i say anything about a S65? with that said. i have owned GM LS engines and i think they are very very good engines for what they are made for. making good power, cheap to fix and last a long time. not to mention that V8 growl. i just prefer high strung engines that have little more character to them. |
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12-21-2013, 03:40 AM | #124 | |
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The e9x does 0-1000m in 24,4 seconds (also seen 23,5s) The E46 does 0-1000m in 24,7 seconds (also seen 23,7s) So a fairly big advantage for the F8x over both the E46 and E90. http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=926744 Last edited by Boss330; 12-21-2013 at 03:55 AM.. |
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12-21-2013, 09:43 AM | #125 | |
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E46 M3 0-150mph: 34.5sec http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...e-conflict.pdf E92 M3 0-150mph: 24.6sec http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...10-comparo.pdf F82 M3 0-150mph: ??? The leap in performance from E30-E36-E46-E92 was significant each generation. My point is this 0-150mpg metric is probably not going to be as significant with the F82. Certainly not the 8-11sec improvement we saw between the E46 and E92.
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12-21-2013, 12:05 PM | #126 | |
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![]() In my link there was a thread with the official BMW spec for the F8x that said 21,9sec Since that wasn't my info I can't vouch for the time stated, but anyway it's not me using a F10 M5 time... |
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12-21-2013, 12:10 PM | #127 |
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Looking at the power curves,weight and updated tech. I don't question that the S55 and the new car is significantly faster in pretty much all measures. This include track times in the hands of professional drivers, personally though I'm less sure that it will be much faster on a track when driven by amateurs. With DSC off the long, linear, responsive and predictable power band of the S65 makes for a car that is very easy to drive fast on a track, I suspect the S55 will be more of a challenge at 10/10s as RWD turbo cars often are but we'll see, BMW say they worked magic with responsiveness and lag elimination.
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test With the "auto" option the 0-150MPH is done in 27,8s, just 3,2 seconds slower than the E9x M3... One more data sheet for the E46 M3 from C&D: http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2001-bmw-m3.pdf Compare the 0-100MPH time with the E9x (also from C&D) here: http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...tory-final.pdf E46 M3: 0-100MPH 11,2 sec, 1/4-mile: 13,1 sec E9x M3: 0-100MPH 10,4 sec, 1/4-mile: 12,9 sec And in this data sheet from C&D the E9x M3 has a 0-150MPH time of 26,1 seconds.... A mere 1,7 seconds quicker than the E46 M3... http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...final-test.pdf So it seems your article compares C&D's best E90 time with their worst E46 time... In reality there is (according to C&D test data): Only 0,2 sec in the 1/4-mile Only 0,8 sec in the 0-100MPH time Only 1,7s to 3,2s gap in the 0-150MPH time Will be interesting to see how much the F8x is able to improve on the E9x times ![]() ![]() BTW, the 991 Carrera S has the exact same power to weight ratio of 279hp/tonne as the M4. Performance should be comparable and here is a "teaser" of the Porsche's numbers: 0 - 40 kph 1.2 s 0 - 50 kph 1.5 s 0 - 80 kph 2.8 s 0 - 100 kph 3.8 s 0 - 180 kph 10.6 s 0 - 200 kph 13.2 s 0 - 60 mph 3.5 s 0 - 100 mph 8.4 s 0 - 150 mph 21.7 s 1000 m 21.7 s @ 242 kph 1/4 mile 11.8 s @ 119 mph http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_991_carrera_s.html Last edited by Boss330; 12-21-2013 at 05:38 PM.. |
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12-21-2013, 11:33 PM | #130 |
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The E92 M3 pretty clearly decimates the E46 M3. I don't trust any results showing otherwise for any contest as "apples to apples". Have a look at these CarTest sims. As you can see most results are right on the money with known/accepted best times (or within a couple of tenths or mph here or there). 0-150 has the E92 ahead by 20 car lengths (not shown below but calculated by CarTest) and nearly 8 seconds. And no the margin between the F82 and E92 will certainly not be as large as the margin between the E46 and E92. It just takes "exponentially" more power to squeak out the same sized performance gains. Thus the M4 will still in my proper view of the word decimate the E92 M3, but certainly by less than that between the prior generation.
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12-22-2013, 05:34 AM | #131 |
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My point was to use C&D test data (which he used to substantiate his view) to show that you can also paint a different picture using the same real world test data source.
And even though this is a CSL, it's pretty close in this race: A pretty close 1/4-mile run: And the 2nd race here between a E92 M3 DCT and a E46 M3 SMG doesn't indicate a huge difference in acceleration. Last edited by Boss330; 12-22-2013 at 08:18 AM.. |
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