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      01-17-2014, 09:48 AM   #67
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I track my car a couple times a year and for the most part, the steel brakes on my E92 were sufficient. That being said, on my last track day I was really pushing it and did start to experience dangerous levels of fade.

I might be willing to spend the extra $ for the CCBs however, a few things have me concerned and will be determining factors for me such as:

1. Confirmation if they ARE or ARE NOT covered by BMW Warranty. If not, then no way I am getting them.

2. I live in Denver and drive my car as much as I can when it is not snowing. Since CCBs generally need a good amount of heat to be really effective; I wonder if I am going to have problems with them on cold days or in light snow?

Can anybody speak to these issues?
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So if what you are saying is true, CCBs are waste of money?
in my opinion, absolutely

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I track my car a couple times a year and for the most part, the steel brakes on my E92 were sufficient. That being said, on my last track day I was really pushing it and did start to experience dangerous levels of fade.


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this doesn't mean you need carbon ceramic brakes. you could have alleviated that issue with better brake fluid and a track pad.

the new m3 brakes appear to be much stronger and better from the factory (4 piston / 2 piston design) and with a race pad will be more than anyone would need.

carbon ceramic brakes will also need a race pad and higher temp fluid, so there is no benefit there either.
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Agree with what most everyone has said in this thread - only reason to get CCBs is for bling. They do look nice, but I wouldn't put that kind of premium on appearance alone - though I'm certain others will.
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2. Since CCBs generally need a good amount of heat to be really effective; I wonder if I am going to have problems with them on cold days or in light snow?
The amount of heat that you put into brakes isn't really going to be affected by 20 degrees colder OAT.

The rotor is there to absorb the heat. The pad is what becomes affected by the heat. A street brake pad is a street brake pad. CCBs don't use some magically pad that is affected and acts differently than a pad on normal steel rotors.
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Don't we already have a few threads on this exact topic??????
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Don't we already have a few threads on this exact topic??????
Sorry i didnt see one that is being discussed.
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      01-17-2014, 12:24 PM   #73
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Sorry i didnt see one that is being discussed.
It's okay. You've admitted that you're new to forums. You get a pass this time. There's a search function.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...bon+brakes+ccb

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...bon+brakes+ccb
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      01-17-2014, 02:21 PM   #74
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the standard setup with good fluid and a track pad will be all almost everyone needs on the track.
This is not even close to true. Anyone serious about the track goes with aftermarket front rotors. The ceramics may be a good OEM solution, but people are unsure about the longevity. It's definitely longer than steel brakes. It has to be 2-3x longer to justify the replacement cost of the 2 piece rings.
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This is not even close to true. Anyone serious about the track goes with aftermarket front rotors. The ceramics may be a good OEM solution, but people are unsure about the longevity. It's definitely longer than steel brakes. It has to be 2-3x longer to justify the replacement cost of the 2 piece rings.
look at Porsche for example, hardly anyone tracks with ceramics because their on track life isn't long, and again, there aren't many race pads and they are really expensive

I actually track my m3, as do a lot of people here in texas and you absolutely do not need to have aftermarket BBK in the front. many people like it and a big reason for a BBK is for easier pad swaps since with stoptech you don't need to remove the caliper. others like it for the bling.
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This is not even close to true. Anyone serious about the track goes with aftermarket front rotors. The ceramics may be a good OEM solution, but people are unsure about the longevity. It's definitely longer than steel brakes. It has to be 2-3x longer to justify the replacement cost of the 2 piece rings.
Or, you buy the CCBs and immediately switch out to iron rotors. You've paid a lot for the bigger calipers, but you could throw the original rotors back on for resale. Doesn't sound cost effective.
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CCB warranty

Should I, I kinda want them but idk. Seems like it would be a large upgrade to driving experience. I'm still sure they are not covered under warranty. And if they aren't how much are they to replace?
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Should I, I kinda want them but idk. Seems like it would be a large upgrade to driving experience. I'm still sure they are not covered under warranty. And if they aren't how much are they to replace?
They are bling, and they are usefull on the track. For the rest, no upgrade to street driving experience at all.
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Should I, I kinda want them but idk. Seems like it would be a large upgrade to driving experience. I'm still sure they are not covered under warranty. And if they aren't how much are they to replace?
They are bling, and they are usefull on the track. For the rest, no upgrade to street driving experience at all.
Defiantly gonna get some track time in this car. Maybe not enough for it to matter.
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this has been discussed here a LOT

there are not really an upgrade on the track. sure they feel better for a few laps, but they have a lot of drawbacks as far as track durability and being prone to damage. as everyone is aware, they are very expensive to fix

there is absolutely no way I would buy ceramic brakes on this car. for the price, they make no sense, and help put the car into a price bracket it isn't as competitive in
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this has been discussed here a LOT

there are not really an upgrade on the track. sure they feel better for a few laps, but they have a lot of drawbacks as far as track durability and being prone to damage. as everyone is aware, they are very expensive to fix

there is absolutely no way I would buy ceramic brakes on this car. for the price, they make no sense, and help put the car into a price bracket it isn't as competitive in
But does warranty cover pads and disks or no is anyone for sure?
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But does warranty cover pads and disks or no is anyone for sure?
They don't for the M5 so I don't see why they would on the M3
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Warranty covers it, maintenance does not, or so I thought.
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Warranty covers it, maintenance does not, or so I thought.
That's correct. But good luck getting BMW to cover a $2000 replacement rotor after you chip it taking a wheel off.
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That's correct. But good luck getting BMW to cover a $2000 replacement rotor after you chip it taking a wheel off.
Not sure about the carbon rotors, but the ones on my current car are pretty durable. No chips after so many wheel swaps and I do them all the time and believe it or not its hard not to touch the rotor with a 70 pound wheel/tire.
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Not sure about the carbon rotors, but the ones on my current car are pretty durable. No chips after so many wheel swaps and I do them all the time and believe it or not its hard not to touch the rotor with a 70 pound wheel/tire.
Carbon and steel are two very different materials.
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Carbon and steel are two very different materials.
Fair point. I didnt know carbon ceramic is less durable.
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I am not sure if the rotors are ceramic. Looking at the cars, it seems only the pads are some sort of a ceramic composite. The rotors look like a two piece steel rotors.
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