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I would suggest you attend an autox event to really get the hang of the car with everything off in a safe manner. The car is very easy to drive and very forgiving with all the traction/stability aids off. With mdm mode, imo, you cannot have any fun as the ecu is way way too intrusive to get anything resembling a fast lap in.
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As for MDM, I never drove mine much in the US MDM, but Euro MDM I don't feel is very restrictive. I didn't find much difference between MDM and DSC OFF to be honest (unless I wanted to really slide the car around). I always drive in MDM though. Full TC/DSC on has done some strange and unsettling things.
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On my 18' F80 ZCP, I drive MDM / Sports+ a few times a week- when I feel the 'drive' to. It definitely wakes her up, and for driving on the road is probably the most amount of fast / nannies-off that I need in my life. If I had a nice open course (autox) id be happy to play w DSC off too, but on the street I don't mess with it...near 500 crank hp/tq in this nimble frame is plenty to get into trouble, and possibly the point of no return.
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03-30-2019, 07:12 PM | #27 |
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My 2 cents.
Is the M4 a handful to drive? This is a good depiction of what is like to drive the M3/M4 with DSC off. You really have to be an asshat to push the car in such a manner to completely upset the car. Throttle modulation, particularly on the non-competition models is key. Enjoy. Last edited by GearRex; 03-30-2019 at 09:37 PM.. |
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03-30-2019, 08:07 PM | #28 |
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just got my car coded to euro MDM
I like it alot better. it works with you rather than suddenly just cutting out all the fun.
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Unless its wet, I drive with DSC off almost exclusively. This car gets out sideways if you have a heavy foot, but I've never felt so controlled in a vehicle with the ass out. This car is extremely comfortable in a slide, if you know how to handle it that is.
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MDM has its limits. It doesn't always intervene especially on rainy days. It easily goes side ways on very slippery roads when making turns and driver effort is much needed than depending on the computer.
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Driving with all nannies off in the rain, 1981 just called they need their car back.
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This is something I've always noted. MDM seems a LITTLE too intrusive, even when going in a straight line. It's like it kicks in a hair too soon sometimes. I've done the bmw m perf school and auto x and while no TC will bite you if you're not careful, but MDM jumps in a bit earlier than I'd like. Wish there was a slightly less intrusive version.
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The M3 is not difficult to drive with DSC off. I guess if you've brought up driving cars with all of this computer nanny BS, then I can see why some of you are scared to drive with it being turned off. But I grew up driving RWD V8's without antilock brakes in the snow. You wanna talk about slipping and sliding all over the place. It taught me how to move my hands fast on the steering wheel, and how to modulate the brakes and throttle very well. The M3 is really easy to control imho.
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I recently took an advanced drivers course that involved practicing controlling a sliding car. Even though I've drifted a tiny bit and slid my cars around on the street, being able to practice it with an instructor and perfect my technique was very helpful and I'm sure it made me much better at it. I also saw the less experienced drivers make the mistakes mentioned above which just sent their car spinning. Well worth doing something like this, for anyone that feels a tad uncomfortable at the thought of a car sliding. Failing that, try initiate some handbrake and power slides in a big empty park to get the hang of it. The key is to have 2 hands on the wheel (no one handed driving, kill that habit if you have it), counter the slide QUCKLY, fight your natural instruct to look in the direction you're sliding or objects/walls you might it, and force your eyes to look in the direction you WANT to go. If you tank-slap in the other direction, counter it even faster. And never mash the breaks or accelerator when sliding (unless you want to keep sliding), any brake or accelerator input only adds to the slide. |
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It’s far too easy to spin the tires and kiss the red limiter. Couple that with the ch issue and it’s just not too great of a thing I coded euro mdm Snd I didn’t find much of a difference. Maybe in a stock car it helps. But on my stage 1. It limits power constantly. |
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Also people who tune their cars need to drive w/ traction control off every now and then. It is shocking how fast a tuned M3/4 is even with an OTS stage 1 tune. It smokes the tires easily in 1-3 gears. |
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