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11-19-2020, 09:26 PM | #45 | |
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M5 demographic has always been focused on comfort vs. sporty M3/4, of course he will prefer a more lethargic and smooth transmission. I need my coupes to be dialed to ten; I already have a Cayenne for my cruising needs.
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Some of us have an interest in taking the car to the drag strip and the track
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But we have multiple F80 in the 9s. To put that into perspective, that is quicker than Bugatti, McLaren 720s.
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BMW isn't the king of anything. F8x is a much better track car out-of-the-box than it is a drag car.
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I disagree. F80 is an out-of-the-box 11-second car in the quarter-mile- not too far behind a stock GTR.
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Put yourself in the head of a car collector in 25 years - will DCT/heads up display/electronics matter? People collect cars for the driving experience, and a manual transmission provides an engaging driving experience. Imagine you have 10 cars in your garage, and it's 6am on a Sunday - which keys do you pick up? You know if you want performance you have the 2045 all-electric Porsche GT3.
That's why I went with 6MT, cloth seats, not even a backup camera. Even a backup camera doesn't matter in 25 years Collectors want unique experiences, I don't think 6 speed, cloth seat german sedans are being made anymore. |
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I have bought all of my M3/4 to serve the dual duty of daily driver and track toy. I do 20+ track days a year. The M3/4 may not be the best track car, but it surely is the bloody best compromise. And judging by the amount of M3/4 I see at track days, I am not the only one to believe so. But I could not care less about launching from a dig and M3/4 have never been about drag racing. Acceleration from a roll is what matters on track. And 300-500 extra lb has a significant impact on track performance.
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When folks say “track” ready, most mean for a road course, as this what the M3/4 has been about since inception with the E30. The M3 has never been about drag racing.
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agreed - but social media will have you think otherwise with all the launch and drag videos. No videos show people dragging cars the old fashion way with a clutch and gas pedal anymore.
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Also, 25 years from now, the majority of cars will be fully autonomous, so who knows what will even happen to current cars of our generation. Some "collector's" may very well look at your car as a cheap version missing much of what brings together the full package of an F8X |
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Even if everyone has autonomous cars, there is always a market for vintage. Gas cars being banned just means new cars can't use gas, not old - same with non-autonomous being banned. EDIT: And look - I didn't buy my M3 to collect it, but if I was collecting cars I would want cloth, 6MT, iconic cars. Last edited by _robert_; 11-20-2020 at 03:50 PM.. |
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EDIT: We can already see 6MT commanding a heavy premium as of today: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1697985 Last edited by _robert_; 11-20-2020 at 04:25 PM.. |
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man the manual fanboys are out in full force in this tread
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Years down the road, the two letters "CS" will command much more of a premium than a Manual "Regular" Competition model. It's all about limited production of which 5,400 Manual units is not limited in the least bit. I myself am a fan of manual transmissions, as it's all I ever drove until I got the CS. After having the CS, I'll never go back to a regular M4. I did have a '17 M4 Manual, and it just doesn't compare to the CS in any kind of way.... Cars like old school Acura Integra Type R and Acura NSX are collectible cars. The Base and Competition F8X's will never reach that level of collectibility. EVER! |
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Just curious, how is everyones M3CS or M4 doing on depreciation? So far my 6MT M3 depreciated 17% after 27,000 miles and 3 years of ownership. |
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The first question is whether ANY F80 will be collectible. If yes, the CS is the best F80 there is. I own an F80 and the CS I have driven is simply better. If someone wants a manual (I probably will!), there are better manuals out there. In my view, a manual transmission paired with a NA engine has the best shot of being collectible.
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911s are a good example. The 911R was thought to be uber collectible (some cars even changing hands for 7 figures), until the 991.2 GT3/Touring came out with a manual and values on the R came back down to earth. So even the manual couldn’t save it, it all boils down to production numbers, significance and driving experience. The R will always be valuable for the total package it represents, meaning it’s not simply a regular production model with a manual, but because you can more cheaply replicate that driving experience by purchasing a manual 991.2 GT3/Touring it will never be as valuable as it once was. Also, Porsche manual GT cars are extremely fun to drive so that can help buoy values to a certain extent as well. Your GT3 example (997 vs 991 value) is more to do with the Mezger motor than the manual on the earlier car. You can get a manual on GT3s again so it’s not really an issue. Porschephiles have a really strong affinity to the Mezger engined cars.
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Sorry bud, the CS was the much better buy in this case. Enjoy your cloth seats! |
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For me: Purchase Price on my 2017 6MT M3 - $55k at 1.3k miles, currently KBB $45k at 27k miles 3 years later |
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My M4CS I purchased for $77K ($107K MSRP). KBB currently does not show a value on the CS's due to limited market info on them. Edmunds shows trade-in on my car of around $76K (5K miles on the odometer). While having my car serviced the other week, my local BMW dealer offered me $74K if I wanted to sell the car right then and there. Not too bad for having the car for 18 months..... Also had my buddy who manages a dealership run the auction prices for the CS's, and they've been mid $70K's |
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