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      07-03-2019, 11:38 PM   #23
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Thats my twin and a great price. Granted I had one of the first deliveries and they all sold quickly in Toronto. Seems like Alberta and Manitoba have had trouble moving these, last 3 left in the country.
It's really the price that had me interested.

The two in Edmonton will sit a little longer I think. They have ceramic brakes, one is LRG, the other is frozen blue. AB is going through a recession so I think the price of those needs to come down a little further.

I originally wanted the LRG, but then had the opportunity to see it in person and hated it.
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      07-03-2019, 11:40 PM   #24
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And yes, the carbon driveshaft is important to me because I want the car to feel special.
I immediately lift the car up in the air as soon as i had the chance to confirm and make sure I didn’t get shafted.
I have the 7000 on order. Costco had a Canada day sale. I do winter/summer change overs on 7 cars, plus the track set-up on my M4 multiple times per year so I'm actually pretty excited for it
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A few guys on the CS facebook group have confirmed that the CS does indeed retain the carbon driveshaft.
Great news.
A few months ago CanAutM3 and I couldn't find any supporting part number confirmation in the CS online literature. Good to have a physical visual confirm.
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      07-04-2019, 11:36 AM   #26
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Oddly worded and Iím confused. So If itís an emissions thing where these laws are enacted then all M models should have to follow the regulations, no? Why are some ďspecialĒ models exempt and not subject to the emissions regulation? They donít need the extra room needed to fit this special emissions filter?

Or is this just BS from BMW, cost cutting and then making the claim of a ďA narrower, "M-specific high-performance" steel part will take their place instead. BMW asserts that it has engineered the steel shaft to retain the "superlative performance and handling qualities" achieved with the carbon fiber componentĒ...to make us feel better?

CF or special steel, whatever!
It's called bullshit on an AG scale.

Do you not see every enthusiast BMW model becoming either FWD or AWD with ZFat? BMW is cost cutting big time.
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It's called bullshit on an AG scale.

Do you not see every enthusiast BMW model becoming either FWD or AWD with ZFat? BMW is cost cutting big time.
Yeah, funny how itís still being offered in the BMW parts bin for purchase, so if you want to pay up you can. Guess it fits fine then!
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A few guys on the CS facebook group have confirmed that the CS does indeed retain the carbon driveshaft.
Then how the CS models deals with the claimed additional emission component due to new regulations? It says it was more like that BMW lied and they actually did that for cost saving?
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I get probably nobody could feel the difference, but if you are paying a premium for a "lightweight" CS I can see people caring about it.

I do, even though it could be steel right now and I wouldn't know the difference. I know it's dumb, but I'm a gear head so..........
Good point

I thought about it for a quick second when I was ordering the 2020 but felt that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Obviously if I had the choice I would go for the carbon fiber.

I care about the carbon fiber roof and I know that's dumb. Haha. I could have gotten a better deal on a 2019 the dealer had with a sunroof but I said fuck that noise I want the carbon roof

My wife just shakes her head at me
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Good point

I thought about it for a quick second when I was ordering the 2020 but felt that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Obviously if I had the choice I would go for the carbon fiber.

I care about the carbon fiber roof and I know that's dumb. Haha. I could have gotten a better deal on a 2019 the dealer had with a sunroof but I said fuck that noise I want the carbon roof

My wife just shakes her head at me
I would think the cf roof has more of an impact on overall perform than the prop shaft. So no worries!
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I would think the cf roof has more of an impact on overall perform than the prop shaft. So no worries!
Yes. It's just cool to have a carbon roof. I pulled up next to my buddy the other day and he was like "that carbon fiber roof is awesome"
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An M3/M4 with the sunroof (40-50 extra pounds at the top of the car vs CF roof), non carbon driveshaft (40% weight savings over steel as quoted by bmw on the f80 press release, on a rotating drivetrain part no less), and DCT transmission ( 40 pounds).

pretty significant in my opinion when you add it all up.

I know I can feel a difference in performance when I have a passenger in the car with me.
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An M3/M4 with the sunroof (40-50 extra pounds at the top of the car vs CF roof), non carbon driveshaft (40% weight savings over steel as quoted by bmw on the f80 press release, on a rotating drivetrain part no less), and DCT transmission ( 40 pounds).

pretty significant in my opinion when you add it all up.

I know I can feel a difference in performance when I have a passenger in the car with me.
I am all for weight savings and I do believe that every bit counts and add up to achieve the overall result.

However, the overall effective weight impact (effective weight factors the rotating mass effect) of the CF shaft over the two piece steel one is not that significant.

IMO it is more a question of drivetrain rigidity.
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I would think the cf roof has more of an impact on overall perform than the prop shaft. So no worries!
The carbon roof has noticeable performance gains!

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The carbon roof has noticeable performance gains!

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Lower center of gravity and thus lower overall weight, all improve drive performance.
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Thats my twin and a great price. Granted I had one of the first deliveries and they all sold quickly in Toronto. Seems like Alberta and Manitoba have had trouble moving these, last 3 left in the country.
Looks like they dropped the prices from bmw Canada but the interest rates for lease and finance have gone up considerably, roughly 5-6% rates.
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Looks like they dropped the prices from bmw Canada but the interest rates for lease and finance have gone up considerably, roughly 5-6% rates.
Lease on M3CS is not possible anymore. Only finance

Haven't made up my mind yet if I'm going to get it
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