2014 F80 M3 European Delivery

[Wraith.]

..and I'll be looking at September 22nd 2014 pickup after a weekend of indulgence with Oktoberfest. Unfortunately, you can only order the car 4 months before pickup and one has to book hotel reservations a year in advance for the 'Fest.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Perfect timing really, I deploy to Afghanistan this year, so by the time I get back I can take a month of leave for European Delivery. If only I could decide between a coupe or sedan.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by southlight

No, there will be no F80 M3 deliveries anywhere in 2013. As things look now there'll be a global launch in Spring 2014. As Jason mentioned, European Deliveries begin at a later date, though.


Best regards,
south

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[BlackLight]

Any guesses on the ED program for Canada?
I am planning a European trip in the second 1/2 of October 2014.

[BMWJ]

Originally Posted by hwelvaar

If the new M3 is still that far from launch, BMW better take their time to fine-tune the package, or even better: shave off more weight.
No excuse saying that CFRP technology was too late available for being implemented in this generation M3.

Timing is not the issue here, it's expense.

[Murph335]

Anyone concerned with ordering the first year m3 and missing out on features?? Id be pissed if i had bought a 2008 e90 new then in 09 lci and better navi.

I never buy new cars but the wife wants to travel to euro and a turbo m3 is the only way my ass is traveling that far.

Biggest concern is first yr will be the ugly duck, second yr holds more value bc it looks better and could be improved in other ways.

[GOLFFRR]

^^There is always going to be something better on the horizon. You can never stay ahead of the curve. BMW is out to make money, there always going to release newer stuff.

I am picking up one of the first M4's as soon as its available and I can't wait! Car is going to be awesome

[KevN27]

Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

^^There is always going to be something better on the horizon. You can never stay ahead of the curve. BMW is out to make money, there always going to release newer stuff.

I am picking up one of the first M4's as soon as its available and I can't wait! Car is going to be awesome

Hey David,

Sent you an email yesterday about ordering an M3 for ED but didn't get a reply. Could you please check? PM me... Thanks. Kevin

[signes]

Originally Posted by Murph335

Anyone concerned with ordering the first year m3 and missing out on features?? Id be pissed if i had bought a 2008 e90 new then in 09 lci and better navi.

I never buy new cars but the wife wants to travel to euro and a turbo m3 is the only way my ass is traveling that far.

Biggest concern is first yr will be the ugly duck, second yr holds more value bc it looks better and could be improved in other ways.

As an owner of an 08 E90, I was a little peeved at first but doesn't bother me too much. I wanted the car and got it, like GOLFRRR says there will always be something else. They pay release a comp pack down the road, don't expect that to be a huge difference and will certainly add to the cost. I also expect BMW to release non-stop "limited" edition versions with special paint/trim, possibly a CSL/GTS/etc variant (hopefully we actually get it here.)

Final point on value - at this point (5-6 years old) no appreciable difference between and 08 and 09 in terms of value beyond the normal difference being one model year older. Among the enthusiast crowd maybe, but for a general sale/trade nobody cares.

[GOLFFRR]

Originally Posted by KevN27

Hey David,

Sent you an email yesterday about ordering an M3 for ED but didn't get a reply. Could you please check? PM me... Thanks. Kevin

Hey there Kevin, I am actually Jimmy David is our head sales rep and also the rep for all the forum members.

He is out of the country till the 11th of this month and has limited access to emails and pas. In the meantime if you would like to get set up on the list for the M's all you have to do is shoot Brie his assistant an email at bbogaardt@stevethomasbmw.com and she will get you all set up. Once David gets back he will follow up with you and everyone else

[gee-m-w]

My dealer at Stevens Creek BMW said M cars come out of his allocation, as of right now.

[gee-m-w]

Looking over it, the M5 sedan is $76,965 european delivery invoice price. You can basically get the whole car for $80k flat if you don't want many options. This gives me hope that an M3 sedan can be done for a reasonable price like 60 flat.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by gee-m-w

Looking over it, the M5 sedan is $76,965 european delivery invoice price. You can basically get the whole car for $80k flat if you don't want many options. This gives me hope that an M3 sedan can be done for a reasonable price like 60 flat.

Keep in mind that, for MY 2014, they've just announced a price increase for the M5 and M6 in the US by $2000.

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=894866

This will make more room for the M3 and M4 price to go a bit higher. Not sure what this means for their base prices, but either way $60k out the door seems unlikely to me. Also, if ED cars come from allocation which is still not known at this point, the best you will be able to do is ED MSRP or perhaps a few hundred under.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Also, if ED cars come from allocation which is still not known at this point, the best you will be able to do is ED MSRP or perhaps a few hundred under.

When guessing at the deal one is likely to get on a new M4, the word "allocation," to me, tends to confuse an otherwise pretty straight forward answer. Dealer "allocation" has no direct relationship with pricing a new car. It simply identifies whether or not a dealer owns the car he's selling.
Every BMW dealer is going to own and sell M4s. With cars that dealers own, pricing is going to be directly related to the demand for that car in his area, not, as some seem to believe, where the customer is willing to take delivery. The truth is, you are not likely to get a 7% MSRP ED discount when the dealer's got 5 people lined up to pay US POE MSRP for that same car. With that dealer, a customer looking for the 7% discount should expect a real long wait to get his hands on the car.
What's the best deal you can do? If I wanted immediate delivery of a new M4 and wanted a 7% US POE MSRP discount (ED or not), I would look for small dealers in areas where the M4 is going to have little or no demand.

[surlynkid]

No ED discount means BMWNA will lose my sale to a used 911 GT3. We shall see. I expect a lot of used GT3s will hit the market as the new ones come out. I love the M4, but money is money.

[mkoesel]

I appreciate your desire for precision, but to be perfectly honest I think your post actually makes things even more confusing. Did you see the M4 ED thread?

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=884483

Throughout the thread there is language similar to what I used, and everyone seems to be on the same page (including dealership representatives).

Originally Posted by fuddman

When guessing at the deal one is likely to get on a new M4, the word "allocation," to me, tends to confuse an otherwise pretty straight forward answer. Dealer "allocation" has no direct relationship with pricing a new car. It simply identifies whether or not a dealer owns the car he's selling.
Every BMW dealer is going to own and sell M4s. With cars that dealers own, pricing is going to be directly related to the demand for that car in his area, not, as some seem to believe, where the customer is willing to take delivery. The truth is, you are not likely to get a 7% MSRP ED discount when the dealer's got 5 people lined up to pay US POE MSRP for that same car. With that dealer, a customer looking for the 7% discount should expect a real long wait to get his hands on the car.
What's the best deal you can do? If I wanted immediate delivery of a new M4 and wanted a 7% US POE MSRP discount (ED or not), I would look for small dealers in areas where the M4 is going to have little or no demand.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I appreciate your desire for precision, but to be perfectly honest I think your post actually makes things even more confusing. Did you see the M4 ED thread?

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=884483

Throughout the thread there is language similar to what I used, and everyone seems to be on the same page (including dealership representatives).

I did read the thread and enjoyed it, especially at the point where someone referred to ED as erectile dysfunction.
To me, when you're negotiating (if you're so inclined) a deal for a new car, precision is important.
Creating a relationship between allocations and ED pricing is not only, I think, inaccurate, but adds an unnecessary level of complexity to the discussion between dealer and customer. This type of obfuscation, I think, favors the dealer and so, it's not all that surprising they use term in this forum. More accurate and more profitable for the consumer to draw a straight line between ownership, supply and demand.
Please don't misinterpret my regard for dealers. I have great respect for them and their employees. It's just that when it's time to buy a car, things change a bit.

[MaX PL]

whats a good site for bimmer pricing these days?

looks like bmwconfig is not longer updated so i was wondering if there is anything new.

[mkoesel]

I read this and wonder if you truly understand the situation.

A dealership gets allocated only a certain number of cars of any specific model. But sometimes, BMW NA allows a dealership to sell ED cars without counting against this allocation. At this point a dealership may be more inclined to negotiate prices below MSRP (ED MSRP in that case) for those cars.

Let's talk practicalities. If you walk into any BMW dealership today and try to negotiate an invoice-plus deal on a car for which allocations are taken up already by buyers who are paying near MSRP you are going to get nowhere. Now, if you try the same for a car where there are unclaimed allocations you have a shot at getting your desired price. So, for ED, when BMW NA takes allocations out of the picture, you are in a situation much like the latter.

Theoretically, I can get a Ferrari at invoice price. It is not impossible. But nobody talks about it because it's a unicorn. No point in discussing things that don't happen in the real world.

Originally Posted by fuddman

I did read the thread and enjoyed it, especially at the point where someone referred to ED as erectile dysfunction.
To me, when you're negotiating (if you're so inclined) a deal for a new car, precision is important.
Creating a relationship between allocations and ED pricing is not only, I think, inaccurate, but adds an unnecessary level of complexity to the discussion between dealer and customer. This type of obfuscation, I think, favors the dealer and so, it's not all that surprising they use term in this forum. More accurate and more profitable for the consumer to draw a straight line between ownership, supply and demand.
Please don't misinterpret my regard for dealers. I have great respect for them and their employees. It's just that when it's time to buy a car, things change a bit.