BILSTEIN B16 DampTronic with EDC - F80 M3 / F82 M4 Review

Needsdecaf · 10-29-2015, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lsturbointeg

Appreciate that! I'm an avid forum user and with all the suspension threads this is the first I've heard about bilsteins.

They're known for their shocks / struts, not a full coilover or springs. So not as popular on forums (who talks about replacement shocks) but back in the day, if you wanted a "sport suspension" on your euro car, you swapped out stock shocks for Bilsteins without thoughts.

stranger · 10-29-2015, 05:43 PM

Had them on my ttrs for 4 years and they were brilliant and I never had any problem

raysspl · 10-30-2015, 03:34 AM

Interesting

Maltman · 10-30-2015, 07:41 AM

We made a short video, sorry for german dialog.

igom3 · 10-30-2015, 09:19 AM

BTW Bilstein's have life time warranty.

adc · 10-30-2015, 09:30 AM

A few observations...

If I understood correctly, the Bilstein guy said the product is not finished yet and will be in Q1/2016. Based on this I'd say we will have to wait a bit longer in the US.

And second, roads in Germany are much smoother than in the US. No nasty expansion joints, rail crossing joints, butter smooth transitions for road works. I'll need to ride in a car equipped with this before committing, but damn this thing looks promising!

adc · 10-30-2015, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Steveo

Lichfield tuners in UK stated the stock sensors were too slow to react hence the unbalanced rear at high speed and they replaced them.

Can you find out what model sensors they switched them with? No reason the stock suspension wouldn't benefit from this...

vasi_M3 · 10-30-2015, 04:53 PM

Are the Bilsteins heavier than the OEMbpassive system?

Délid'f · 10-30-2015, 05:35 PM

Hi,

off-topic but what are those wheels ?
FI or CI ?
I think they look good. Thanks

BuLoOoSki · 10-30-2015, 07:04 PM

Nice setup OP. Can you shed more light on price?

BTW, anyone find it strange that the springs are dated 11/2012?

trad · 11-01-2015, 05:55 AM

can you add camber plates with them?

M Vier · 11-01-2015, 10:15 AM

Nice and clean. Well done. Thanks for sharing.

All what you need to feel you can control everything in the car's damping

Alpina_B3_Lux · 11-02-2015, 02:28 AM

This looks like a further development of the B16 Ride Control that was already offered for the E9x.

I can only hope the quality and durability has been substantially improved. Many people including myself have had very bad experiences with these. I will never buy anything from Bilstein due to this. Here's the link: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788638

ScoopsLR · 11-02-2015, 06:59 AM

Beautiful

billspreston · 11-02-2015, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

This looks like a further development of the B16 Ride Control that was already offered for the E9x.

I can only hope the quality and durability has been substantially improved. Many people including myself have had very bad experiences with these. I will never buy anything from Bilstein due to this. Here's the link: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788638

Can you elaborate on the issues you had? You mention ride height which doesn't appear to be an issue here and clunking but nothing about performance. Not doubting you I'm just curious. I found the PSS10 kit for the F30 to be quite good with a normal ride height and wide range of rebound/damping settings so I'm really considering this ride control for the F80.

stranger · 11-02-2015, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

This looks like a further development of the B16 Ride Control that was already offered for the E9x.

I can only hope the quality and durability has been substantially improved. Many people including myself have had very bad experiences with these. I will never buy anything from Bilstein due to this. Here's the link: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788638

The link in the post that relates to your review of the B16 ride control does not work

Alpina_B3_Lux · 11-03-2015, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stranger

The link in the post that relates to your review of the B16 ride control does not work

This should work: Bilstein B16 Ride Control review

Alpina_B3_Lux · 11-03-2015, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billspreston

Can you elaborate on the issues you had? You mention ride height which doesn't appear to be an issue here and clunking but nothing about performance. Not doubting you I'm just curious. I found the PSS10 kit for the F30 to be quite good with a normal ride height and wide range of rebound/damping settings so I'm really considering this ride control for the F80.

As indicated in my review, ride height was a problem which also affected performance (too little suspension travel). The clunking noises came from defective valves in the dampers and appear to be a very common problem. If you wait long enough (which I didn't do obviously) and don't replace the dampers, they will fail entirely. At that price this was simply a fail.

Of course I won't exclude Bilstein got these quality problems under control with the F8x pieces. I just wouldn't want to try and find out, personally.

Maltman · 11-03-2015, 07:47 AM

Got prices from Bilstein, delivery date in Germany is January 2016.

Who´s interested in a early bird group buy, please PM me. The earlier we order the sooner we get supplied.

Yessir · 11-03-2015, 08:30 AM

Pm sent

TRZ06 · 11-03-2015, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Quote:

Originally Posted by stranger

The link in the post that relates to your review of the B16 ride control does not work

This should work: Bilstein B16 Ride Control review

That is not a review of this new kit.

That post link is from 2011. I'm quite sure A LOT has changed since then.

RKAM3 · 11-03-2015, 02:26 PM

You might be surprised at how little really changes over time. I'm from the Audi camp and I remember quality problems with the PSS9 kit when it was first released for the TT. Bilstein's customer support in what I remember was ultimately a product defect issue was atrocious. Over time they did resolve the issues and obviously released many more fitments that people have been very happy with. The review linked above is similar background knowledge on their previous product launches and is helpful to those that would consider jumping on this band wagon.

New products are rarely everything they are advertised to be...at least initially. Whether they ever live up to the hype is a function of time and the company's commitment to the customer. Unless you want to be a guinea pig, it's sometimes better to wait and see how performance and reliability shakes out.

Sincerely,
Mr. Fencesitter

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