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      01-17-2017, 07:25 AM   #177
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I think the new headlights look great! My car is a 2017 MY F80 ZCP (October 2016 build) and I definitely didn't see this coming, caught me by surprise. However, I don't mind the "old" stuff in my car; I like the silver M badging in the seats and the standard halos.

I do like the black 666, would look good on my Mineral White I suppose, but I love the machined finish on them since it highlights the design much better. Will be cool to see some of these in person, although the "suddenness" of the changes (for the F80, albeit small) is kinda weird lol.
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      01-17-2017, 07:30 AM   #178
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This is the LAZIEST LCI update. Why doesn't BMW just sell you a lights and black plastidip kit?

E46 M3 (LCI before we called it LCI) and E92 M3 LCI were also lazy, but c'mon.
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      01-17-2017, 07:32 AM   #179
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No, it's Sakhir Orange II.
Its the exact same color but made somewhere different. I have parked my 16 SO right next to a new SOII and they are the same.

I agree with others new healights are worse. Not bad just not better.

The only thing that grinds my gears is the black zcp wheel option. Shoulda had that from the start. Im buying new wheels for my car not because I dont like the 666 but because I think SO looks better with dark wheels.
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      01-17-2017, 07:35 AM   #180
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I'm struggling to see the interior differences for the sedan - the lci sedan already had all that silver trim around the window switches and air vents, and the gloss black centre console

So as far as I can tell it's headlights only for sedan, which are lci 1.0 non-M headlights

Edit! Just noticed the black seat badges, they'll look horrible on silver stone seats. I was hoping they updated the hvac controls with the capacitive 5/7 series design since they went through trouble to cover the whole Centre console in the test mules
Fwiw my 16 m4 has all the silver accents my 15 didnt. I can say its the one part of my 16 i like less than my 15. I liked the all black chrome.
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      01-17-2017, 07:36 AM   #181
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I am confused on the MY2017 and the "new 2017 model" lingo. Can someone help me out with this? The article and video states the all "new 2017" 4 series and M4. Does that mean that every production for M4 and 4 Series made in 2017 that will be the half year 2017 models will be the new style LCI or does it mean 2018 models that are built in 2017 will be the LCI? If that was the case, why do they not call the LCI models 2018 M4/4 Series instead if 2017?

I am asking because I have a 2017 M4 that is about to go into production and had a 4 to 6 months hiatus on no production of M4s being made until now. Will my 2017 M4 have these changes? I noticed the list stating March 2017 as well, if my vehicle starts production next week, given let's say 6 to 8 weeks to finally get to American shores, will it be the new LCI model?

NO, Europe doesn't have model year structure like the NA market.

So your current build will be a 2017 and the updated M3/M4 will be 2018s that will be arriving in July of 2017.

The NA M3/M4 are going out of production for a few months with deliveries of the 2018s starting in July of 2017. Why this is no know for certain as this is only effecting the NA or its known to only effect the NA market.

Whatever you have will be a 2017 and outdated.

If you want the up to date M4, cancel your current order and wait till the order banks reopen and then get a new allocation for a June/July build.
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      01-17-2017, 07:40 AM   #182
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I'm placing my 440i drive GC order around September(my lease for one of my cars is coming to end at that time), so it should be out by then. does anyone know when we will see the LCI update on the website where we can actually see the build ?
These should be in production and at dealership by July of 2017, it could be sooner but I would think July of 2017 is a safe bet. Which you will have options to build it in June I would think at the latest.
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      01-17-2017, 07:51 AM   #183
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lol, f80 owners who waited for LCI got double dog dirched
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      01-17-2017, 08:04 AM   #184
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I paid my deposit for an M4 ZCP couple of Saturdays ago, build slot isn't until February with a mid March delivery so arguably I'm still in a position to cancel the order and wait for the LCI.

The only thing holding me back is here in the UK, our Road Tax laws change on April 1st.
Cars registered after this date are subject to different taxes - for the term of my ownership I would be about £1240 ($1530 US) worse off than taking the car pre-April.

Not a huge amount in the grand scheme but if you consider that money could instead go towards Carbon Fibre goodies, lowering, Spacers etc.
Not to mention the potential price increase of an LCI model over the current (Can anyone see BMW freezing the base price for the new model or setting it lower?? Thought not!)

My dealership have advised the LCI's in Europe go into production in March so could a new build be delivered and registered within a 4 week period? (Assuming my dealership already have a slot reserved and LCI's go into production on the first day of March)

So in summary, are a set of LED lights really that big a deal to justify an increase in annual running costs as well as an (assumed) increase on the base model price?
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      01-17-2017, 08:16 AM   #185
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am i the only one who thinks the new headlights are worse?
No, you are not I also like the corona/halo version better.
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      01-17-2017, 08:21 AM   #186
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And the digital cluster is cute and new but anolog cluster in an M is the way BMW has always done it and should. ECO view in an M? Right.
An "ECO mode" wouldn't have to exist in an M model, and so the ECO template wouldn't necessarily be available either. Although, today's M3/M4 do give you the option of the efficient dynamics display below the tachometer just like a series car does. If you don't care about it, you just shut it off (almost everyone does).

Remember, this is just an LED display with software determining what gets shown. M vehicles will have their own version of it just as they have their own M specific features in the gauge cluster area such as the M Driving Dynamics status in today's M products which displays the current engine, steering and suspension settings.

It is likely that, in future generations, all BMWs will use a fully digital display for the gauge cluster.
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      01-17-2017, 08:37 AM   #187
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Anyone know what they meant by double stitching on the instrument cluster as part of the M4 changes? The stitching looks the same as full leather option in the M4.
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So the leather wrapped dashboard is now standard for M3/M4 without going for full leather?
I read this as "fake stitching for the non-leather dash"
If it looks like the X6 dash then I am fine with it. Textured plastic with stitching looks really nice and saves a lot of cash over a leather dash. Also more durable.
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      01-17-2017, 08:39 AM   #188
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Looks like revised sport displays for power/torque.
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      01-17-2017, 08:42 AM   #189
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This is one stunning car... Simply love it - and the digital cluster looks like it's close to the one from the 5-series - Beautiful!
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      01-17-2017, 08:51 AM   #190
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They are just throwing in options now as "standard" but will raise the price.
The switch from Xenon headlights to LED headlights as standard equipment might raise the price. I can't recall how that went for the F3x 3 Series models that originally had Xenon headlights and then switched to the new non-adaptive LED headlights for the LCI. But I would expect the F3x 4 Series will follow similarly.

Now, to make things a bit more complicated, the press material mentions that the M3/M4 specifically will now get the adaptive lighting standard. So, in any market where the pre-LCI LED (which only come in adaptive form) were not standard before, a price increase is a sure bet. However, even though the language used in the press material appears to imply the M3/M4 will get adaptive lights in all markets, without market-specific announcements such as for the US, I would not necessarily assume this will be the case.

Of course, in regions where the adaptive LED were already standard, the price may be unaffected. It depends on whether other equipment is made standard for March in a specific market as well.
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      01-17-2017, 09:16 AM   #191
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What is the name of the red on that M4? And will that color be offered on the M3?
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      01-17-2017, 09:18 AM   #192
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What is the name of the red on that M4?
As discussed earlier in the thread (which you can search using the search feature, BTW), it is the same color available today: Sakhir Orange (called Sakhir Orange II as of a year or so ago due to a change in the paint supplier).

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Already is today and will continue to be, yes.
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OK, so the base 4-series gets the funky new instrument cluster, but the M4 does not ...
My understanding is that M cars do not get digital instrument clusters and only get analog instrument clusters. I vastly prefer the analog cluster in the M4 versus the one coming to the 4 series (which is identical to the one in my x6).
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am i the only one who thinks the new headlights are worse?
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      01-17-2017, 09:37 AM   #195
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With standard adaptive full LED headlights, I wonder how much they are increasing the base price.
Exactly & they will.
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      01-17-2017, 09:37 AM   #196
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My understanding is that M cars do not get digital instrument clusters and only get analog instrument clusters. I vastly prefer the analog cluster in the M4 versus the one coming to the 4 series (which is identical to the one in my x6).
Except the regular 4 Series will have a Oil temp and the M2 none...
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