M3 vs RS3 vs Civic Type R track battle

[shu5892001]

I am pretty sure they timed the lap in another time with no camera car in-front.

The one lap with the drift should be for viewing pleasure only, you can't have a camera car in-front of you when you are doing a timed lap.

BTW, CTR 'ring time

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...t-around-the-n

Lap time
7:50 2016 Honda Civic Type R Benchmark

7:50 BMW M3 CSL Tied
7:50 2009 Porsche 911 Carerra S Tied

7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Beat!
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Beat!
7:54 Nissan GT-R Beat!
7:54 997 Porsche 911 Turbo Beat!
7:54 (.36) Renault Megane RS 275 Trophy-R Beat!
7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight Beat!
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Beat!
7:56 C5 Corvette Z06 Beat!
7:56 996 generation Porsche 911 Turbo Beat!
7:56 Porsche Panamera Turbo Beat!

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by chillindrdude

now now...let's not be too hasty.

i'd like some more data points before i objectively admit the Civic R is a better car around a track.

Not being hasty, that Civic is a great car. I've had an Si in the past and it was one of my most fun cars, this is one is set up for a track, nothing else.
I mean if that's what you want, track only then ok. The other 95% of the time I wouldn't want anything to do with it, and would you really pick this over something like a tuned S2000 or Evo...fail wheel drive for a track car?!?

[pikkagtr]

on a short track they used Im not surprised the lightest car that's toss-able around the corners had a quickest time. The M3 isn't in it's natural environment on such a short track.
Put them all on a track like Laguna Seca or Spa's Kemmel Straight the power of the M3 will pull it ahead of the other 2.
I do believe Honda is bringing over a version of that CTR over to the states and it should be an interesting car to compete with the GTi/Golf R, Focus RS and the new WRX/STI

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by TahoeM3

You can also hear him let off the throttle a few seconds before the finish line and coast through to the end. The Civic has a quick lap time, but straight line performance isn't close and he's definitely trying to stir it up.

What is troubling is that he as for so long a respected auto journalist. But with these silly comparison videos where he is so transparently making the M3 lose he just kills his credibility....

...and least among the small group of us who give a shit.

[knightsabers]

Auto Express's latest track battle between a Honda Civic Type R vs BMW M3 vs Audi RS3. Surprised at the results

[hellrotm]

LOL at all M owners that hate Sutcliffe, ever since his first video vs the W204 C63.

[dan99]

great showcase of the civic, really glad Honda made a sports car. but this scott is a complete tool, drifting around the track is not how you set a good lap time. Its been proven that this guy is doing this for youtube views, ie. f80 m3 vs alpina 335d.

[Nothing]

It really depends on the track you take it to. And it helps if you keep the car from sliding around. The Civic is ugly. It's a horrid shape that they stuck with and then added the ugly aero bits to it to make it functional. The Focus RS on the other hand is a good looking car that will be worthy of the praise it will get very soon. It will be the new king of hot hatches.

[Hazey82]

Surprising results.

[nicknaz]

not surprising to me. stock PSS (hard to put down the power) and a short track takes away the M3 power advantage.

[brava09]

Sure, conspiracy theory all over this thread

Let's admit it, Honda got some skills at building sports cars....looking forward to the new NSX

[Duder]

why would he turn everything off? of course it's sliding around like crazy. that's gonna slow you down substantially. put it in mdm and this would be a whole different story.

[Stevens21234]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

LOL at all M owners that hate Sutcliffe, ever since his first video vs the W204 C63.

I've hated him for far longer than that. He's an annoying hack.

[yerffejleahcim]

Too much sliding causes time to go up. Tsk tsk.

[nonagon]

In this (all?) track situations would lap time be better or worse using Euro MDM mode vs turning off traction control?

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by nonagon

In this (all?) track situations would lap time be better or worse using Euro MDM mode vs turning off traction control?

Using mdm will 100% make a car slower in the hands of a skilled driver . FYI the Honda Type R is faster at the ring as well which is def a power track . It's a better chassis for track use period . The m3 is a good car but in stock form will lose on track to any car built with a track focus , c7 vette , civic type R , gt350 mustang , 911 , etc. It's not about hp on track it's about the chassis.

[derpimpkar]

the civic type R lapped the ring faster than the M3 too. faster than many cars. it doesn't suck.

[Falafel Combo]

1. You don't turn "everything off" when you're trying to make lap time. You just don't. You get drifts, wheels spin, and it won't hook up as quickly. Idiot!

2. If anything, it's admirable that the Civic is that quick! But quicker than the f80 M3, I am sure not!

[knightsabers]

I agree, why would he turn off traction control in a race. The sliding costs a fair bit of time combined with his poor racing line ultimately made the M3 slower than the Civic.

Bias not even raced under the same conditions

[hwalk]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

1. You don't turn "everything off" when you're trying to make lap time. You just don't. You get drifts, wheels spin, and it won't hook up as quickly. Idiot!

I doubt that...you may call me an idiot as well but i think it depends on the skills of the driver and the track. A good driver would go faster without a "system" that cuts off power in certain situations like tight corners. That's at least my experience at Hockenheim Circuit/ Germany.

Even with (european) MDM you can't use level 3 (engine sport+) on normal roads because that f*cking systems cuts you off consequently when you speed up hard and shift from gear 2 into 3... So for now i use level 2 or switch all that "regulation" off for the real funny rides...

I fully agree to your second statement...

[derpimpkar]

time to read some clublexus threads and bone up on my denial skills.

[simpelton]

Originally Posted by Hazey82

Surprising results.

Result is null and void. Drivers name is Steve Sutcliffe. Check out his other videos and then perhaps come to a conclusion. May be some of the Evo guys driving or Chris Harris would result in a different conclusion.

As for traction control. Never on a track. Controlling over and under steer is driver dependant on a track, I.e. how smooth a driver is. Ofcourse every car will behave differently driven by the same person in same conditions.

I call for a second opinion.