10-21-2020, 10:38 AM | #89 | |
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As an owner I know that it hurts the value of the car from a subjective perspective. Every time I hit the gas i worry. Where as for my e46 I air it out all the time. I am not one to do burnouts and things like that but i love spirited driving. I could and will do a CBC but there is a mysticism with it. People dont even know if it does anything and most shops wont do it. My issue is with the full solution. Bc I add a moderate tune I need to spend 4000 to make it safe on a car with 7000 miles? To me its more paltable to do vanos or rod bearing on a 20 year old car to make it safe to drive hard than it is on a brand new car with a mod that is very common in the enthusiast world. Its not like we upgrading the turbos and pressing the envelope! These are nearly stock cars. No mattter what you say its not going to change my opinion that this issue sucks. ITs my own fault but the issue has evolved as the community learned more about it. |
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10-21-2020, 10:41 AM | #90 |
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Matty, make a couple of calls and find out. Check with Kies on the East. If it really is that bad an issue here for the F8x, you'd see people just bitching all over the forums.
As I posted earlier, I gave you the stats. $3-4K isn't that big a deal when it comes to M cars. I think a little perspective is needed here. Now, these are not basic DD cars. If you want power for cheap, its not on this platform. I had an E46M; those RTAB fixes are expensive and if you cost adjust those for inflation, it'll be close to what this is. Then there's VANOS and that is a big big deal. EDIT: I just saw your response. Yes, adding a solution on a 7K mi car seems crazy, BUT this is a different platform with way more power than the E46. If you want to play, you got to pay the price. The CBC is not snake oil; it does work, but isn't the 100% solution. I would hazard a guess with a CBC, most folks won't spin unless they are heavily modded and beating the car. As far as market values, I don't think you're seeing the SCH affect resale values. |
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If I wanted a rebuilt stock motor, $17k all in. If you are having the dealer do it, no shit it's going to be $30k. But two things (1) they don't warranty the new engine, just an installation warranty, and (2) their labor rate is literally twice any local Indy shop charges. So essentially your paying more for (1) that you still otherwise get at an independent shop. And some good local Indy shops (like mine) are run by former master BMW techs. At the end of the day, it's your money, your risk. That said, I think your inflammatory comments on this thread are making a mountain of what otherwise really is a mole hill. The solution is simple, don't tune. And if you absolutely need to tune, go with a GTR, Evo, Sti, etc. Oo wait, transmission failures, stock turbo failures, and engines spontaneously exploding even stock impact those cars.... I forgot
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10-21-2020, 11:38 AM | #93 | |
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As I said in the last page, maybe BMW M's are not just for you, because ALL of them have 1 weak point or another. Back to the E9x M3 forums I go
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10-21-2020, 05:17 PM | #96 |
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Car being fixed by dealer, out of pocket.
Initial assessment is CH replacement, re-timing, cover replacements. No indication of valve or piston damage for now. Hopefully that does not change. Repair cost $6500. A bit disappointed after this experience finally owning my dream car. I've worked hard for this. Of course, I take responsibility for flashing stage 1, knowing of this potential failure. Car did feel amazing with stage 1, albeit for 24 hours. Once fixed, I'm uncertain how I will proceed with this ownership, or not. Sell it? Enjoy stock? Go ahead and have fun modding without regrets? After all, warranty is gone. |
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10-21-2020, 06:36 PM | #98 | |
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Stupid question, but why did you agree to pay 6.5K when proven crank hub fix solutions are available for half than that?
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10-21-2020, 07:26 PM | #99 |
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This. If the warranty is gone, go to an indy, get the fix done + the timing for equal or less. At the end of it, you 1) don't really care about the drivetrain warranty any longer 2) get a car that is pretty bulletproof and tunable to whatever power limits you want.
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10-21-2020, 07:38 PM | #100 | |
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@Kies Motorsports will do the job for $4k including the crank hub.. reach out to his he's in south jersey. |
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10-21-2020, 07:47 PM | #102 |
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@matty088 if you have to pay out of pocket you can get an aftermarket pinned/splined hub plus the install and work for under 4000. Why pay 6500 to get a factory hub put back in? Forget the factory hub...go straight to the hub-fix and get the CBC on top of you can. Otherwise you're paying 6500 to be at risk again!
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10-21-2020, 07:57 PM | #103 | |
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My response above isn’t related to that |
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10-21-2020, 08:21 PM | #104 |
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I committed to dealer repair, it’s happening.
Mistake in retrospect. Wasn’t sure how I was gonna proceed with the car. Wasn’t knowledgeable enough to understand repair is no different then fix install. Thought more was involved. Car was at dealer, loaner in hand, work and family life super busy. If I keep the car, probably will need permanent solution. Otherwise I’m pretty sure I’d be afraid to mash it, or downshift. |
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10-21-2020, 08:48 PM | #105 | |
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After reading so much about this and debating people I don’t even want to drive my f80 with a stage one. And no one is willing to do CBC. It’s full solution or nothing at the bigger shop s. |
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10-21-2020, 11:16 PM | #106 |
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Lol. This would be a first for a non-dealer shop. Share the names of those shops so we can all avoid them like the plague. Any BMW shop worth its weight can do it and would do it.
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Well not sure what you call a reputable shop but VAC put mine on. They have to be one of the top shops on the East coast if not the country. Soooooooo, what am I not getting here Chief? Pep boys is not a Reputable spot
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If you look at FPautmotive IG theres information on why the oem hub fails. |
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10-22-2020, 09:21 AM | #109 | |
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I spoke to Kies, Auto couture, bimmer clinic, munich motorsports. All not only suggest the full solution but even said they wont do a CBC. VAC is too far for me. I have asked the forum for places to do CBC and i dont get much feedback. Time to move on. Last edited by matty088; 10-22-2020 at 09:29 AM.. |
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