M3/M4 vs. GT350

[fusionchicken]

Thanks for the pictures arsenalrocks

My apologies for the '16 SS performance figure, I believe I saw a manual one trap 116-ish hence my comment regarding straigtline performance

That shift light in the HUD is super cool

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by Properstyle

The gt350 is what Bmw should have done with the new m3. They should have stayed nautally aspirated and just increase the liter size. The handling ablity of the E9x was great. Improving on that with the use of the f8x chassis and a bigger v8 would have been a perfect match.

BMW has fallen behind in the shock/suspension game.

They are still using the old "valve in the shock" method for adaptive shocks, while the rest of the world is going to the superior magnetic shocks technology.

[ForTehNguyen]

[fusionchicken]

Came here to post that YouTube vid

Gt350r wins on exhaust note alone

LS7 still delivering the power and dat torque doe

The want for the gt350r is strong

[///Mpossible]

Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

Thanks for sharing, pretty cool vid! That GT350R is everything I wished the M3 would have become!!

[clemsonkev]

GT350 is 48k base. Z28 is like 75k me thinks.

[See5]

Originally Posted by clemsonkev

GT350 is 48k base. Z28 is like 75k me thinks.

GT350R plus Tech package puts it in the 65-70K range.

[fusionchicken]

Saw and sat in a GT350 at LA Auto Show this past weekend...my lawd

The tranny felt precise and clicks into each gear, obviously with the engine off, but felt way better than previous gen's 5.0 tranny

[clemsonkev]

Originally Posted by See5

GT350R plus Tech package puts it in the 65-70K range.

Don't want the R as I need the backseat. And 48k is a sweet deal for the same engine!

[CirrusSR22]

You can add a rear seat to the GT350R with a kit straight from Ford.

Part Number: M-63840-MS

Installation Instructions:
https://fordperformanceracingparts.c...M-63840-MS.pdf

MSRP: $999.
Probably will retail for less

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by clemsonkev

Don't want the R as I need the backseat. And 48k is a sweet deal for the same engine!

You need to add the track pack and the good seats to that... 57k is the proper price...

[Vossen wheels]

The GT350 is fantastic. First Mustang I have began to love!

[auf Deutsch]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...0r-test-review

GT350 numbers (0-60,100,130,150,1/4,trap,skidpad) are eerily identical to 6MT M4 they tested.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by ///Mpossible

Thanks for sharing, pretty cool vid! That GT350R is everything I wished the M3 would have become!!

A BMW M will never, ever be an American muscle car - never. People that buy ///Ms don't want American muscle

[Fahrvergnügen]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...0r-test-review

GT350 numbers (0-60,100,130,150,1/4,trap,skidpad) are eerily identical to 6MT M4 they tested.

Yes, from a pure numbers standpoint, comparing C&D's results show the M4 right in between the 350 and 350R's performance. Of course the M4 costs more but it has a bit more refinement, luxuries added and a back seat if comparing to the 350R. The gt350/R has that awesome exhaust note though.

[///Mpossible]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

A BMW M will never, ever be an American muscle car - never. People that buy ///Ms don't want American muscle

We probably don't have the same definition of "muscle" car, because to me, the GT350 is not more of a muscle car than an E60 M5 with its +8000rpm redline and rather low torque figure. In fact I even think the F8x is more of a muscle car than this Mustang.

I'm 100% positive that the majority of ///M enthousiast would have prefered a more visceral engine like this V8 5.2L to replace the venerable S65 instead of the rather soulless S55, because that's what ///M has accostumed us to. But since BMW is in the market of making profit they went with a 335 engine on steroid instead of doing what Ford has had the guts to do, which is building a real racing engine from the ground up.

[Fahrvergnügen]

Originally Posted by ///Mpossible

We probably don't have the same definition of "muscle" car, because to me, the GT350 is not more of a muscle car than an E60 M5 with its +8000rpm redline and rather low torque figure. In fact I even think the F8x is more of a muscle car than this Mustang.

I'm 100% positive that the majority of ///M enthousiast would have prefered a more visceral engine like this V8 5.2L to replace the venerable S65 instead of the rather soulless S55, because that's what ///M has accostumed to. But since BMW is in the market of making profit they went with a 335 engine on steroid instead of doing what Ford has had the guts to do, which is building a real racing engine from the ground up.

I agree the gt350 is not really the 'muscle car' it used to be but more of a well-rounded 'trackable' car. However, calling the M4 more of a muscle car than the mustang is just plain silly...

I also have to disagree with your assessment of the M's engine (of course I have to, right?). Sure the exhaust sound isn't the greatest by many people's perspective but exhaust sound is only one component of an engine and can be easily tweaked to your liking by a number of aftermarket options. All the other components of the engine make it special and unique like the wide band of torgue and power, relatively high speed for a turbo engine, responsiveness adjustability, absence of overheating, and not to mentioned better fuel economy (did you see the Mustang's mpg?) Sorry if you think that is soulless.. I heard that the Fiat Abarth has a good rumble, you might like that. Also, what makes you think the engine is just a tidied up 335?

From the C&D article, it looks as if Ford didn't even make a proper flat-plane engine and is last-gen technology throughout

Edit: forgot to mention that the S55 won engine of the year when it debuted... soulless perhaps

[clemsonkev]

forget what a SHELBY used to be. forget what an M3 (M4 now) used to be.

Right now, people are cross shopping them both. Myself included. BMW still has the fit and finish and prestige, but DAMN that flat crank in the Voodoo!! That and it's new handling capability will probably have me leave the German fold and give this GT350 a go.

[Brosef]

Originally Posted by ///Mpossible

We probably don't have the same definition of "muscle" car, because to me, the GT350 is not more of a muscle car than an E60 M5 with its +8000rpm redline and rather low torque figure. In fact I even think the F8x is more of a muscle car than this Mustang.

I'm 100% positive that the majority of ///M enthousiast would have prefered a more visceral engine like this V8 5.2L to replace the venerable S65 instead of the rather soulless S55, because that's what ///M has accostumed us to. But since BMW is in the market of making profit they went with a 335 engine on steroid instead of doing what Ford has had the guts to do, which is building a real racing engine from the ground up.

why is it that you hang around this forum?

[Ragged Edge]

@///Mpossible.
"I'm 100% positive that M enthusiasts would have preferred.... " blah, blah blah!
Well "I'm 100% positive" that I disagree. Hahaha!!
As does anyone I meet who is drooling on my car.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were employed somehow by chevy, ford, cadillac, etc. to rain on BMW's parade.
Smile buddy.... it's good to be wrong once in a while!

[///Mpossible]

Originally Posted by Ragged Edge

@///Mpossible.
"I'm 100% positive that M enthusiasts would have preferred.... " blah, blah blah!
Well "I'm 100% positive" that I disagree. Hahaha!!
As does anyone I meet who is drooling on my car.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were employed somehow by chevy, ford, cadillac, etc. to rain on BMW's parade.
Smile buddy.... it's good to be wrong once in a while!

It's not because you and your friends like your S55 that most people who love ///M cars would have not prefered an engine similar to the one in the GT350. You can think that I'm wrong but untill we have a poll to ask everyone what they think on the question, you just like me wont know for sure. See I'm smilling!

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///Mpossible

It's not because you and your friends like your S55 that most people who love ///M cars would have not prefered an engine similar to the one in the GT350. You can think that I'm wrong but untill we have a poll to ask everyone what they think on the question, you just like me wont know for sure. See I'm smilling!

Hi Alex! Still making friends I see.

It has probably been said before in this thread, but if you want a harder core track car I would go with the GT350/R. If you want a more all around car that you can still take to the track then get the M3/4.