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      04-04-2014, 12:00 PM   #133
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      04-04-2014, 12:06 PM   #134
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I have owned 4 M3 convertible in a row (3 E46 M3 Convertibles and my current 13 E93 Convertible) and I have to say that every angle of the F83 M3 blows previous versions away. I was planning on getting MG and this sealed the deal, at least when it comes to exterior.

BUT, given that I actually care (a LOT) how the car drives, I'm still disappointed by the lack of weight reduction. My E46 M3 Convertible was 3,800 lbs w/SMG (I believe). How many generations of M3 convertibles is it going to take for them to get back to 2001 weight!?! Here's to hoping that the wider stance and 100 lbs less weight makes this feel a LOT more nimble than the current E93 M3 (I'm not optimistic). Perhaps the extra torque will help a little as well.

I'm reserving my true judgment until I see the car in-person and drive it. But I'm still blown away by how good this looks for a convertible, especially in MG... Good job BMW - hopefully it will drive even better than the E93 M3!

think about what you are asking..

how many generations do you think that it will take before BMW can make a metal folding hardtop roof as light as a cloth roof with a metal frame.. ?

Even if the base weights of the vehicles themselves (before roof) were to get back to identical, the different construction for the roof is of course going to cause the newer model to weigh more. So.. the logical answer to your question, is.. likely.. NEVER..... However.... the question itself certainly seems to have an unrealistic expectation.
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      04-04-2014, 12:07 PM   #135
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If I was a convert guy (and I'm not) I would prefer the M4 convert over the
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      04-04-2014, 12:36 PM   #136
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think about what you are asking..

how many generations do you think that it will take before BMW can make a metal folding hardtop roof as light as a cloth roof with a metal frame.. ?

Even if the base weights of the vehicles themselves (before roof) were to get back to identical, the different construction for the roof is of course going to cause the newer model to weigh more. So.. the logical answer to your question, is.. likely.. NEVER..... However.... the question itself certainly seems to have an unrealistic expectation.

Good points, although I have 2 thoughts in mind here:

1) Rumor has it that the next-gen Mercedes SL is switching BACK to a folding soft top. I realize that the M3/M4 convertibles follow the 3-series/4-series convertible design but perhaps they might switch back at some point as well. There's clearly a reason for Mercedes to make the switch back (it's not clear what it is right now, especially given its GT nature?) but perhaps that will start a trend...
2) What's probably the MOST realistic scenario is that 1-2 gens from now we'll see a CFRP top on the M4 convertible, which might not shed the full 300-400 lbs needed but might close the gap significantly. That's how I think my "unrealistic expectation" will become a reality. Will I need to be patient? YES. But I would bet on us seeing this become a reality within 2 gens...

Regardless, here's to hoping that their weight savings "focus" proves to be more fruitful for the next gen...
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      04-04-2014, 12:49 PM   #137
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think about what you are asking..

how many generations do you think that it will take before BMW can make a metal folding hardtop roof as light as a cloth roof with a metal frame.. ?

Even if the base weights of the vehicles themselves (before roof) were to get back to identical, the different construction for the roof is of course going to cause the newer model to weigh more. So.. the logical answer to your question, is.. likely.. NEVER..... However.... the question itself certainly seems to have an unrealistic expectation.

Good points, although I have 2 thoughts in mind here:

1) Rumor has it that the next-gen Mercedes SL is switching BACK to a folding soft top. I realize that the M3/M4 convertibles follow the 3-series/4-series convertible design but perhaps they might switch back at some point as well. There's clearly a reason for Mercedes to make the switch back (it's not clear what it is right now, especially given its GT nature?) but perhaps that will start a trend...
2) What's probably the MOST realistic scenario is that 1-2 gens from now we'll see a CFRP top on the M4 convertible, which might not shed the full 300-400 lbs needed but might close the gap significantly. That's how I think my "unrealistic expectation" will become a reality. Will I need to be patient? YES. But I would bet on us seeing this become a reality within 2 gens...

Regardless, here's to hoping that their weight savings "focus" proves to be more fruitful for the next gen...
This.

You hit the nail on the head (twice).
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      04-04-2014, 01:34 PM   #138
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I know, sorry about it. I'm just so sick of it since on the most pictures the M4 (coupe and vert, but the M3 as well) has the black wheels on and I want to see how the different colors look with silver wheels. And everytime I see that new photos have appeared and then realize that it's again with these black rims, I get pissed. I'll try to control myself.
you are right!
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      04-04-2014, 01:56 PM   #139
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What are those things on the seats?
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Looked far to "heavy" in MG, should look excellent in a lighter colour, the last two pics of the invidual blue colour made the car proper imo!
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So whats the official HP numbers for the s55? This spec sheet says 431 while others say 425.

Great looking vert though! I actually really like the roof top. In that one angle it kinda looks like a bigger version of the z4.
Engine power is approximately 317.05 KW and depending on if you consider 1 HP = 0.736 KW or 1 hp = 0.746 kW get that power is 431 HP and 425 HP respectively.
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I still don't understand why BMW can't put in LED taillights in these new M3s and M4s, yet the DTM M4s already have them before before we even take delivery of our pre-lci's.

Can anybody explain this?? Do they really purposely leave out the taillights so they have changes to make for the LCI? Is this also what happened with the previous generation? Pre-lci on the E9X looked horrible, but I wouldn't think they purposely design non-led taillights so that they can add led ones for lci. Great logic, BMW, once again.
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M4 convertible priced at $73,425 including the $925 destination fee, an $8300 premium over the M4 coupe.
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      04-04-2014, 05:48 PM   #144
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Good points, although I have 2 thoughts in mind here:

1) Rumor has it that the next-gen Mercedes SL is switching BACK to a folding soft top. I realize that the M3/M4 convertibles follow the 3-series/4-series convertible design but perhaps they might switch back at some point as well. There's clearly a reason for Mercedes to make the switch back (it's not clear what it is right now, especially given its GT nature?) but perhaps that will start a trend...
2) What's probably the MOST realistic scenario is that 1-2 gens from now we'll see a CFRP top on the M4 convertible, which might not shed the full 300-400 lbs needed but might close the gap significantly. That's how I think my "unrealistic expectation" will become a reality. Will I need to be patient? YES. But I would bet on us seeing this become a reality within 2 gens...

Regardless, here's to hoping that their weight savings "focus" proves to be more fruitful for the next gen...
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gorgeous as expected but would rather see a different combination then mg and red like the 435i.
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      04-04-2014, 07:01 PM   #146
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I still don't understand why BMW can't put in LED taillights in these new M3s and M4s, yet the DTM M4s already have them before before we even take delivery of our pre-lci's.

Can anybody explain this?? Do they really purposely leave out the taillights so they have changes to make for the LCI? Is this also what happened with the previous generation? Pre-lci on the E9X looked horrible, but I wouldn't think they purposely design non-led taillights so that they can add led ones for lci. Great logic, BMW, once again.
That is exactly why. This current F8X design has already been in the works for several years. I'm sure the LCI plans are already finalized. And they have been saving the "LED" UpGrades for the LCI ever since the E46.

At this point it is pathetic no doubt, especially when other cars are coming with them standard now. But it's what BMW does.
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      04-04-2014, 07:49 PM   #147
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the people who are already adding 3-400lbs by going convertible vs coupe wouldn't mind a few more lbs for more comfortable seats.
Exactly, but just like the people driving coupes don't mind the extra 3-400lbs of leather, stereo, power seats, etc

No production car is made for "serious driving" - these cars are built for weekend warriors and wannabes (yeah, yeah, you can gut it, mod it, etc etc, but then it's not an M3 coupe anymore; how many people on this board have done that and use their coupe as a dedicated track car?)

I love my e93 and I'm not a 'serious driver' - I don't track, only canyon drive, but if I did track I'd have a track car not an M3 coupe with A/C & bluetooth.

I would define "serious driving" as professional and pro-am; and those people have dedicated track rigs.

The rest of us are just hobbyists in some form or another. Flame on : )
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....soooo can we all agree that those rear headrests look kinda dumb? I see the purpose. But if I ever got one I'd remove them.
You can't. The roll-over bars are inside. Unless you get rid of it all.
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I was on the fence with this one. But now seeing it in motion, I am a fan.
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Anybody else notice how much better the car sounds in this video compared to the F80/2 videos?

Or is it just me being overly optimistic...
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M4 looks good but the 435 is also good ... Driving it will only tell if it justifies double the fun for double the $$$ (or close to)
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