Dealer sold me a fake M3 competition

[Faceplant]

Didn’t somebody post a m comp that had the interior swapped out with the regular f30 interior recently? Imagine buying a comp and not automatically being able to tell that with the lack of 666 wheels and totally different seats something was off. Happy it’s resolved.

[Habber]

Sorry to say, but if I'm dropping $60k on anything, you can bet that I'm going to research everything about it especially if it's second hand.

[arrivederci]

Originally Posted by behindthen0thing

Technically it's not clutchless. The C in DCT stands for clutch.
It's an automatically shifting manual trans.

Clutch pedal-less maybe? But in fact has two clutches, right? Anyone aware of a dual clutch manual transmission - that has an actual clutch pedal for the driver to operate? I'm not.

If true, then what is manual about it? Possibly putting it into gear - like with an automatic?

[behindthen0thing]

Originally Posted by arrivederci

Clutch pedal-less maybe? But in fact has two clutches, right? Anyone aware of a dual clutch manual transmission - that has an actual clutch pedal for the driver to operate? I'm not.

If true, then what is manual about it? Possibly putting it into gear - like with an automatic?

yes two clutches.
You can manually select gears if you so choose to do so.
Although you are unable to modulate a clutch pedal.
sometimes i've seen it referred to as a semi-auto trans as well.

[AlpineWhite_SJ]

Stevens Creek.. Why am I not surprised They're so shady.

[mjposner]

I meant (obviously) no manual clutch.

"If true, then what is manual about it? Possibly putting it into gear - like with an automatic?"

Its considered a manual because it shifts gears in the same manner as a true manually operated transmission with a computer operated clutch. It is nothing like a torque converter automatic.

[arrivederci]

Originally Posted by mjposner

I meant (obviously) no manual clutch.

"If true, then what is manual about it? Possibly putting it into gear - like with an automatic?"

Its considered a manual because it shifts gears in the same manner as a true manually operated transmission with a computer operated clutch. It is nothing like a torque converter automatic.

Sorry - wrong. It shifts gears nothing like a manually operated transmission with a computer operated clutch. Ever driven the Lambo/Audi single clutch auto manual catastrophe? Damn its annoying. DCT shifts gears like a dual clutch transmission with computer operated clutches. Look to Porsche PDK, the new Vette trans, or Audi/VW DSG as comparable examples. Mechanically the DCT shares some parts with a manual trans - clutch instead of torque converter. Operationally it is no different than this...which is the X5M I used to have.



Anything else is marketing that you bought into. Which is also why dealers/people are confused and classifying a DCT or Tiptronic or PDK or anything you can 'self shift' as a manual. Someone searching for a manual transmission definitely doesn't want a DCT.

[mjposner]

Sorry - right "A dual-clutch transmission (DCT) (sometimes referred to as a twin-clutch transmission or double-clutch transmission) is an automated manual transmission in automobiles, closely related to a manual transmission."

Yes I have driven single clutch models, including an M5 smg, its annoying in the same way a nubie driving a manual is annoying, but get it on a track and guess what...not too bad.

If you drive a dct like a manual, using the S3 mode and paddles it is similar to a manual in feel. Not perfect and it has its own issues.

As for sharing some parts, it is a manual transmission with two clutches so it shares all but the mechanical linkage for the clutch pedal. It shares no parts with a n automatic transmission.

"Someone searching for a manual transmission definitely doesn't want a DCT." True, but many searching for an automatic do not want a DCT either.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by behindthen0thing

yes two clutches.
You can manually select gears if you so choose to do so.
Although you are unable to modulate a clutch pedal.
sometimes i've seen it referred to as a semi-auto trans as well.

Originally Posted by behindthen0thing

yes two clutches.
You can manually select gears if you so choose to do so.
Although you are unable to modulate a clutch pedal.
sometimes i've seen it referred to as a semi-auto trans as well.

DCT is a fantastic transmission faster shifting than a manual.

Sometimes I shift 2 4 6 in my manual

Or creep in slow traffic and car seems gearless

Advantages to both I prefer 6 speed manual

[themightyshrek]

Originally Posted by Keebin

That place is so shady.. me and my wife were looking for a m2 comp and as we walked on to the dealership floor i asked for a sales person and the guy yelled something in some type of Slavic language and walked off with an attitude.. legit just walking on to the sales floor... few months before that i was looking to buy a m3 saw an alpine white 2016 car i liked they wouldn’t even talk numbers with me.. and i was willing to buy the car outright cash. I hope you/ your friend get them such bad customer service.

Lol, it seems that nothing has changed over there since 1998 or 2000. Both times I was there with someone who was really interested in buying a car and also had the means to do it (VP, few hundred thousands/year income).

[khanyam4]

Originally Posted by Redacre

I can't help but wonder if this is because of how BMW has branded the updated M2 as the "M2C"

I feel like putting "Competition" into the default name of an adjacent model will cause more confusion over competition packages in the future. There's no shortage of threads here lamenting the BMW branding and marketing strategy lol

It's not just regular consumer, some of the car enthusiast on the board is confused too. People putting the competition model badge on their competition packaged m3 and m4 LOL.

[Spun Crankhub]

At least you got that extended leather onto the console and door pulls. Gotta have a glass is half full attitude.

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by TacoChris

At least you got that extended leather onto the console and door pulls. Gotta have a glass is half full attitude.

Originally Posted by TacoChris

At least you got that extended leather onto the console and door pulls. Gotta have a glass is half full attitude.

That's glass 1/4 full

It's an extra $5500 for competition package and the improvement over the base exceeds the value. Also looks a bit better too.

I wish could have the extras on my 2016 minus the seats minus the rims; I like my 18's

[zamboni]

Originally Posted by SD ///M4

Correct. Initial wheel for the Competition Package was the silver Style 666. My wife ordered her 2018 M3 CP with the black 19" Style 437 wheels because neither one of us wanted to clean the Style 666 wheels. They were a no-cost option.

I believed all individual paint came with 437 black wheels set but not the 666 wheels.

[deeldoo]

Should have paid him in monopoly money and called it even

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by zamboni

I believed all individual paint came with 437 black wheels set but not the 666 wheels.

No.

All ZCP comes with 666 wheels unless you 437 is specced for it. The option only came after ZCP was released about a year or so after.

It doesn't have to do with individual paint. If it came with individual paint then it was build, spec with it in to replace 666m

[zamboni]

Originally Posted by Arcades

No.

All ZCP comes with 666 wheels unless you 437 is specced for it. The option only came after ZCP was released about a year or so after.

It doesn't have to do with individual paint. If it came with individual paint then it was build, spec with it in to replace 666m

My built date was Jun 18 and I bought the car in Dec 18 with individual color came with 437 wheels set. BMW produced the last special paint batch and have the 437 wheels equipped and there is no extra charge for individual paint.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by zamboni

My built date was Jun 18 and I bought the car in Dec 18 with individual color came with 437 wheels set. BMW produced the last special paint batch and have the 437 wheels equipped and there is no extra charge for individual paint.

Then your case is different.

All F80/F82 during the years that wasn't the final run had to ask for 437. You don't get it Standard 19" unless you ask for it and it's in the build. Final run builds are different when BMW makes a bunch of individual cars at no charge. They didn't even charge ZCP from what I noticed.

Search the forums. It's been noted way enough times in since 2016 when ZCP was released. 666m wasn't loved until 437m was given as an option back after about a year or so with Comp being out. Owners realized 666m looked nice in person. Then ppl went 763m because how many of us went FI R or R101/P101.

[LVI]

Most of the final run no charge individual paint cars came with the black 666m wheels. There were some that came with 437m wheels, but most came with the 666m wheels.

[SD ///M4]

Originally Posted by zamboni

I believed all individual paint came with 437 black wheels set but not the 666 wheels.

We had the option to order silver 666 wheels, black 666 wheels, or black 437 wheels. Individual paint did not affect those options. We were not restricted to black 437 wheels, we made that choice because neither of us wanted to clean the 666 wheels.

[zamboni]

Originally Posted by SD ///M4

We had the option to order silver 666 wheels, black 666 wheels, or black 437 wheels. Individual paint did not affect those options. We were not restricted to black 437 wheels, we made that choice because neither of us wanted to clean the 666 wheels.

I picked my vehicle in Newport Beach and that how t car was equipped. I've seen a few cars at different dealers that had the special paint came with 437M wheels, BMW made a bunch of last production run without charging but the down side it came with 437M wheels.

[LVI]

Originally Posted by zamboni

I picked my vehicle in Newport Beach and that how t car was equipped. I've seen a few cars at different dealers that had the special paint came with 437M wheels, BMW made a bunch of last production run without charging but the down side it came with 437M wheels.

Wrong again. Most of those final production no charge individual paint cars came with 666m wheels. There were some with 437m wheels as well, but not a majority.