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      10-02-2018, 08:57 PM   #23
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Dealer said factory where the M3 is made under renovation and the individual colors are not available. Oddly enough, the M4 can be ordered in Tanzanite Blue, go figure?

Is it worth settling for another color to get ZCP or should I just wait to see what the next generation M3 looks like?
M3 is made in Regensburg, M4 is made in Munich. Different factories, and as he said, Regensburg is under renovation. They're no longer making M3s, or F30s, so the factory is likely retooling for the G30. M4s are continuing production through 2020.

M2s are made in Leipzig and there is no option there for any Individual colors.
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      10-03-2018, 09:45 PM   #24
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Dealer said factory where the M3 is made under renovation and the individual colors are not available. Oddly enough, the M4 can be ordered in Tanzanite Blue, go figure?

Is it worth settling for another color to get ZCP or should I just wait to see what the next generation M3 looks like?
M3 is made in Regensburg, M4 is made in Munich. Different factories, and as he said, Regensburg is under renovation. They're no longer making M3s, or F30s, so the factory is likely retooling for the G30. M4s are continuing production through 2020.

M2s are made in Leipzig and there is no option there for any Individual colors.
I heard the last few M3 CS are still in production this month. I wonder what factory?
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      10-04-2018, 04:10 PM   #25
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Keep your car and CP is good but not worth the trade in , i did the same only because my 16 was rear ended and i was getting a good deal on the dealer stocked CP car. I do miss my 16 in terms of low end torque and that car was built exactly to my taste. The 18 CP is a great car and looks great but i wanted MG with SO interior and could not get it because it was bought off the lot.

15K miles is still new and you can mod it to make it better than the CP car
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      10-04-2018, 09:32 PM   #26
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Thanks everyone and boss2k for the feedback, all great insights.
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      10-05-2018, 09:55 AM   #28
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I would just wait until next gen M3's come out. I think you're depreciation hit would be steep. Even if you go like a CS there is not much a difference that you're jumping to and it's not in a manual. Good luck.
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      10-05-2018, 03:07 PM   #29
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One youtube video said the 0-60 for the new M340i is 4.2s. If it is really the case, the new M3 will be definitely in the mid 3's. I would definitely wait.
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      10-05-2018, 04:59 PM   #30
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I was considering switching to an M2C or Cayman GTS. I ended up putting the full CS suspension on my car, which made a big enough improvement in ride and handling that I enjoy driving the car once again and will probably keep it for a couple more years. So depending on what you're looking for from the '18 ZCP, that could be an option.

Re: the G80, I also have a 2018 S4. It's about 3" longer than my M3, and the G80 will be a hair longerthan that. While the F8X isn't small, I think it's at the upper limit of what an agile sports sedan can be before it starts to be not so track worthy. The S4 looks and feels like a much bigger car, Almost M5-ish. So again, depending on what you're looking for, I'm sure the G80 will be a great road car, but I think we'll start seeing fewer and fewer of them at the track as that job gets handed down to M2's.
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      10-05-2018, 05:54 PM   #31
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I would wait for new generation.
Each generation is so much better and if you can wait I would.
I personally could never wait and end up trading cars every 6 months... I am a total car freak. lol
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I'd wait, it would kill me every time i rolled up next to the next gen at a light.
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      10-05-2018, 06:12 PM   #33
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Wait! you'll be glad you did.
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      10-05-2018, 06:56 PM   #34
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marginally better car with the same driving experience or wait for the new experience easy answer
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      10-06-2018, 11:14 AM   #35
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I'd wait, it would kill me every time i rolled up next to the next gen at a light.
Worst is the G20 M340i kick my F82 butt at a light.... need to mod my car after my warranty expires next year.
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      10-06-2018, 04:57 PM   #36
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Wait what 3 years? It’ll be that long before you can find a next gen m3 that isn’t marked up or first year model
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      10-06-2018, 05:11 PM   #37
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I wouldn't do it. Just wait for the new gen.
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      10-06-2018, 07:28 PM   #38
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Wait what 3 years? It’ll be that long before you can find a next gen m3 that isn’t marked up or first year model
He is driving a 16 M3. Just BM3 it until the new one comes out.
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      10-06-2018, 07:57 PM   #39
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I'd rock on the F80, keep it a few years into the next "G" generation, then a few years into production, always the smart move. Good luck!
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      10-07-2018, 06:32 PM   #40
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I was considering switching to an M2C or Cayman GTS. I ended up putting the full CS suspension on my car, which made a big enough improvement in ride and handling that I enjoy driving the car once again and will probably keep it for a couple more years. So depending on what you're looking for from the '18 ZCP, that could be an option.

Re: the G80, I also have a 2018 S4. It's about 3" longer than my M3, and the G80 will be a hair longerthan that. While the F8X isn't small, I think it's at the upper limit of what an agile sports sedan can be before it starts to be not so track worthy. The S4 looks and feels like a much bigger car, Almost M5-ish. So again, depending on what you're looking for, I'm sure the G80 will be a great road car, but I think we'll start seeing fewer and fewer of them at the track as that job gets handed down to M2's.
+1

Will add that aftermarket full coillvers are likely an easier to source option that full CS suspension

I also don't think CS allows for front camber adjustment either but I could be mistaken.
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      11-06-2018, 10:34 AM   #41
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I did. Don't. Enjoy your car and wait for next gen. The Comp is more composed. (best way to describe it as others have stated) and handles much better, very sharp. Only BMW can create a sharp car that has absolutely no steering feedback/feeling. People constantly complained about the GTR feeling like a playstation, no it didn't/ THIS FEELS LIKE A PLAYSTATION!!! BMW DO YOU HEAR THAT!!!!!!!. The seats are nicer. Power feels the same. Keep in mind that it is harsher ride. Exhaust is too loud for me when driving. I used to always put my std M4 into M mode but the droning with the new comp pack sport exhaust gets annoying.

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If the rest of the spec is the same and you are happy with your '16, I would consider keeping your car.

I went from a '15 dct to an '18 6mt zcp. I think the zcp is a better day to day car in that the changes from the '15 make it feel more refined to me. My '15 certainly felt like it had more character - for better or for worse.

My reason to change from the '15 to the '18 was to try the zcp, get rid of CCBs, get a manual, and get full leather. So far, full leather and the change in Active sound have been the most noticeable difference to me.
Thoughts on the DCT vs. 6MT in the F8x platform? I've got a DCT now, but if the G80 comes with 6MT and M-AWD, I think I'll add one of those most likely. If it's 6MT RWD or ZF AWD exclusively, I'll have a hard decision to make and probably will not end up with another BMW. Planning to hold onto my F80 either way for another 5+ years.
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Worst is the G20 M340i kick my F82 butt at a light.... need to mod my car after my warranty expires next year.
It's a new gen car vs old gen. Would still take an F82/80 all day long over the G20. There's plenty of decently quick 0-60 cars out there that can beat or match an M3/4 off the line and can be had for much less.

The M3/4 is also much more than 0-60 times. Any modern performance car can mash the throttle and accelerate quickly from a light.
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I did. Don't. Enjoy your car and wait for next gen. The Comp is more composed. (best way to describe it as others have stated) and handles much better, very sharp. Only BMW can create a sharp car that has absolutely no steering feedback/feeling. People constantly complained about the GTR feeling like a playstation, no it didn't/ THIS FEELS LIKE A PLAYSTATION!!! BMW DO YOU HEAR THAT!!!!!!!. The seats are nicer. Power feels the same. Keep in mind that it is harsher ride. Exhaust is too loud for me when driving. I used to always put my std M4 into M mode but the droning with the new comp pack sport exhaust gets annoying.
I honestly don't get this and I'm soooooooo tired of hearing people cry about this (no offense).

I have an E46 M3 coupe (very nice example) in my garage next to my F80Z6MT and the F80's steering is easily as good as the 46M's..... and that's saying something as the 46M has some of the best steering feel ever put into a road car.

Sure, the actual road "feel" is somewhat muted in the F80Z, but.... and this is a huge but.... it's far more precise and direct and has a MUCH better on-center feel. So what you give up in feel (not that much) you gain so much more in all of the other categories that I rate them as equal.

Remember that good steering is more than just feedback. It's feedback + weight + directness + ratio (too fast = shitty). I can literally fling my F80 down a canyon run as hard as I want and feel exactly what the front end is doing. There is less feedback than other cars but there is enough to be effective.... and that's all that matters.

Nothing is one-dimensional and I encourage you to consider this.
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