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      12-10-2016, 08:54 PM   #23
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Might be right, but then again I wouldn't purchase an "M" for anything other than the drive. To each his own
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Ahhhh, the semi self-righteous purist angle. I like it!
My M4 does not have the Executive package - i.e. no HUD, no cameras, no PDC. I ordered it that way and am completely happy. Does that mean I am a semi self-righteous purist? WOW - I didn't know that - I feel so ashamed
Yes it does...one less gadget/button the better. " Just drive the damn car"
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      12-10-2016, 09:01 PM   #24
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My M4 does not have the Executive package - i.e. no HUD, no cameras, no PDC. I ordered it that way and am completely happy. Does that mean I am a semi self-righteous purist? WOW - I didn't know that - I feel so ashamed
So THAT's what you took from the context of my statement to him!?!??! Ummm, okay. It's not worth any further explanation if you think my self-righteous jab at him had anything to do with options.
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      12-10-2016, 09:20 PM   #25
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So THAT's what you took from the context of my statement to him!?!??! Ummm, okay. It's not worth any further explanation if you think my self-righteous jab at him had anything to do with options.
Guess I had my sarcasm hat on backwards.
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      12-10-2016, 09:28 PM   #26
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Guess I had my sarcasm hat on backwards.
....Well at least the bill on that hat isn't bro-style flat.
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      12-11-2016, 12:12 AM   #27
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If you wanted camera/PDC in the first place, you will most likely have buyer's remorse soon after you buy the car, once the initial excitement is over. You will also soon forget that you got a great deal in the first place.

I lost thousands of dollars on a car that I bought at a great deal by trading it in within a year to get the options I really wanted in the first place.
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      12-12-2016, 02:13 PM   #28
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IMO no PDC/RVC isn't a deal breaker, as Bimmertech offers a RVC that integrates nicely with iDrive. In many ways I think it's superior to the OEM one as it allows you to add a front view cam, plus you don't get PDC which I've always found the beeping to be annoying (not to mention the little holes in the bumpers). The whole setup can be retrofitted for ~$1-1.2k which isn't bad
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      12-12-2016, 02:23 PM   #29
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I've decided to make a last ditch lease offer, extremely aggressive to the point where there would be no buyer's remorse when saving a few hundred dollars a month. If it's accepted I will take the car, if not I will simply order a 2017. I agree with most here that taking a car with missing options at market value can be a source of regret later, however getting a smoking deal on a new 2016 because it's end of year and dealer needs to move said vehicle quickly makes you forget that you don't have backup cam and sensors. I also have adaptive M on my current car but the first thing I do is put it on Sport + as I dislike comfort modes so that is a moot point. I will know by end of day today if I am getting it.
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      12-12-2016, 03:13 PM   #30
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After having the PDC/RVC, I could personally live without them. Do I love having them? Sure, but by no means a deal breaker.

Bimmer Tech makes a retrofit for both though. Pricey but it's a seamless intigreation. I'm thinking of getting the front camera so I can stop worrying about destroying my lip. The PDC sucks for low curbs and I have to rely on looking at my reflection in the car next to me to see how close I am or just park really far back.

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      12-15-2016, 11:38 AM   #31
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Yes I would not pass up a car because of cameras I don't need. I do not see why a car needs a backup camera or parking help. If you know how to drive what is the problem without them?
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You can retrofit original camera, either used or new
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Yes I would not pass up a car because of cameras I don't need. I do not see why a car needs a backup camera or parking help. If you know how to drive what is the problem without them?
You cant imagine how many incapable drivers are out there . They look in mirrors only and cause many incidents
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      12-16-2016, 09:02 AM   #34
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Yes I would not pass up a car because of cameras I don't need. I do not see why a car needs a backup camera or parking help. If you know how to drive what is the problem without them?
Although I agree a car does not NEED cameras, I actually use my cameras on a daily basis as I am paranoid about my front lip getting damaged. I also tuck my car as close to the curb as possible to avoid dings and I need the cameras to help me achieve the closest/safest distance to keep from the curb without damaging my 666M's wheels (which stick a little farther out the wheel arches than the 437M's). I tend to think I am a more capable driver than 98% of people on the road.

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