Dumb move. Dumb design.

48Laws · 07-18-2015, 11:30 AM

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Started my car today. Warmed it up. Left key at home. Stopped. Turned car off. Realized key is 30 miles away. BMW can't remotely start. Dumb move on my part but an even dumber design by BMW to allow the key to be so far and car can still operate. Smfh!!

gearboxtrouble · 07-18-2015, 11:32 AM

I thought you got a warning message on the screen if the key wasn't present in the car. I can definitely recall getting it at car washes etc.

ChuMpion3 · 07-18-2015, 11:32 AM

You didnt get the warning through iDrive?

AM4ZING · 07-18-2015, 11:34 AM

When i simply hop out of my car to close my shops gate, the 2 ft walk makes my car warn me that there is no key

48Laws · 07-18-2015, 11:34 AM

My baby shower is today so if I did, my mind isn't here today. I probably missed it.

TahoeM3 · 07-18-2015, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gearboxtrouble

I thought you got a warning message on the screen if the key wasn't present in the car. I can definitely recall getting it at car washes etc.

It definitely gives both a visible and audible warning.

48Laws · 07-18-2015, 11:37 AM

Now I prefer good old-fashioned keys. Lol

Devilzmantis · 07-18-2015, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TahoeM3

It definitely gives both a visible and audible warning.

I dont remember hearing the audible... maybe its too quiet of a warning. But there has to be a better way to not allow someone to change gear if it doesn't detect the key.

04RC51 · 07-18-2015, 11:42 AM

There's NO WAY you didn't get several warnings. Problems exists between steering wheel and seat.

chiplee · 07-18-2015, 11:47 AM

Yeah but I can understand the engineering trade space BMW had to work with on this decision. Imagine how pissed you'd be if you lost your key fob with your car running and needed to get home. Hop out for two seconds along a busy highway to help your baby in the back and the fob falls in a gutter, etc. Remote start sounds fraught with peril for theft. I think it's implemented correctly given the alternatives. If you were authenticated to start it that gets you "this" drive, and we'll warn you not to shut off until you put the fob back inside.

48Laws · 07-18-2015, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 04RC51

There's NO WAY you didn't get several warnings. Problems exists between steering wheel and seat.

I thought I covered that?

48Laws · 07-18-2015, 12:02 PM

For Example, if my fiancé's 650 CG door is ajar, the car will not move foreword. The brakes engage. Many cars just give an audible warning which door is open. I know I made huge error today but, technology is freaking there! Poor design.

dds007 · 07-18-2015, 12:14 PM

Are you female?

Ghetto2315 · 07-18-2015, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dds007

Are you female?

What? Guys can't have a baby shower too??

48Laws · 07-18-2015, 12:46 PM

Typically, the father should be in attendance. Lol

Sassicaia · 07-18-2015, 02:11 PM

Just because a technology allows you to use it incorrectly doesn't mean the technology is flawed.

You have to think above the line here. This is a user error

Mandi90TT · 07-18-2015, 02:17 PM

User error. Can't completely stop stupidity

YasM3 · 07-18-2015, 02:30 PM

Most vehicles that use a key fob once started can be driven until shut off without the fob in the vehicle or anywhere near it. Obviously there is a warning..

As for it being a poor design, please give a reason why? Because it inconvenienced you? The car I am sure gave you a warning, that is not BMW engineering's fault.... Also not remotely starting the car is a security thing. What if someone has all your information somehow and calls BMW and says "hey I lost my key can you start my car?" It would make it moderately easy to steal a vehicle if someone had the correct info which is not to hard to come by now a days.

fun2drv · 07-18-2015, 02:33 PM

A little off topic, but I just tested something that I've been meaning to try for a while. If your car has comfort access and is locked, what happens when you open the trunk and put the key inside the trunk and then shut the trunk. Well, BMW was pretty smart this time around. The car beeped several time and the trunk opened automatically...

I almost did this last week when I changed clothes and almost left the car key in the bag when I went to put it in the trunk...

MFNATIK · 07-18-2015, 02:33 PM

this was by design. There is a safety component to this. As in, if you were to get carjacked, this would allow the assailant to get away with your car and hopefully leave you alive stranded somewhere.

YasM3 · 07-18-2015, 02:38 PM

Not only that. If the key had to be in the car for the vehicle to continue to run after its been started. What if there was an electronic failure of the key while you were driving? You wouldn't want the car to just immediately shut off because it detected no key because of an electrical malfunction and leave you stranded on the freeway.

I think this should be just a hard lesson learned and probably will not happen again.

Bluesummer · 07-18-2015, 02:41 PM

I've been using comfort access for the past 7-8 years. This has never happened to me.

07-18-2015, 11:30 AM	#1
48Laws Banned 705 Rep 1,908 Posts Drives: '15 F80, '18 991.2 GTS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: East Coast iTrader: (0)	Dumb move. Dumb design. Featured on BIMMERPOST.com Started my car today. Warmed it up. Left key at home. Stopped. Turned car off. Realized key is 30 miles away. BMW can't remotely start. Dumb move on my part but an even dumber design by BMW to allow the key to be so far and car can still operate. Smfh!!
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gearboxtrouble Second Lieutenant 134 Rep 246 Posts Drives: 2015 F82 M4 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Houston TX iTrader: (0)	I thought you got a warning message on the screen if the key wasn't present in the car. I can definitely recall getting it at car washes etc.
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48Laws Banned 705 Rep 1,908 Posts Drives: '15 F80, '18 991.2 GTS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: East Coast iTrader: (0)	My baby shower is today so if I did, my mind isn't here today. I probably missed it.
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chiplee Captain 307 Rep 971 Posts Drives: 2015 M3 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ridgecrest, CA iTrader: (0)	Yeah but I can understand the engineering trade space BMW had to work with on this decision. Imagine how pissed you'd be if you lost your key fob with your car running and needed to get home. Hop out for two seconds along a busy highway to help your baby in the back and the fob falls in a gutter, etc. Remote start sounds fraught with peril for theft. I think it's implemented correctly given the alternatives. If you were authenticated to start it that gets you "this" drive, and we'll warn you not to shut off until you put the fob back inside.
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48Laws Banned 705 Rep 1,908 Posts Drives: '15 F80, '18 991.2 GTS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: East Coast iTrader: (0)	For Example, if my fiancé's 650 CG door is ajar, the car will not move foreword. The brakes engage. Many cars just give an audible warning which door is open. I know I made huge error today but, technology is freaking there! Poor design.
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YasM3 Lieutenant 258 Rep 487 Posts Drives: A BMW Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Out here iTrader: (0)	Most vehicles that use a key fob once started can be driven until shut off without the fob in the vehicle or anywhere near it. Obviously there is a warning.. As for it being a poor design, please give a reason why? Because it inconvenienced you? The car I am sure gave you a warning, that is not BMW engineering's fault.... Also not remotely starting the car is a security thing. What if someone has all your information somehow and calls BMW and says "hey I lost my key can you start my car?" It would make it moderately easy to steal a vehicle if someone had the correct info which is not to hard to come by now a days.
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fun2drv Lieutenant 262 Rep 561 Posts Drives: '23 M5 Comp Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Columbia, TN iTrader: (0) Garage List 2023 BMW M5 [10.00] 2023 BMW M5 [0.00]	A little off topic, but I just tested something that I've been meaning to try for a while. If your car has comfort access and is locked, what happens when you open the trunk and put the key inside the trunk and then shut the trunk. Well, BMW was pretty smart this time around. The car beeped several time and the trunk opened automatically... I almost did this last week when I changed clothes and almost left the car key in the bag when I went to put it in the trunk...
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MFNATIK Blocked from G80/G82 for having an opinion 3498 Rep 3,729 Posts Drives: Trek Domane Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Mexicali iTrader: (1)	this was by design. There is a safety component to this. As in, if you were to get carjacked, this would allow the assailant to get away with your car and hopefully leave you alive stranded somewhere.
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YasM3 Lieutenant 258 Rep 487 Posts Drives: A BMW Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Out here iTrader: (0)	Not only that. If the key had to be in the car for the vehicle to continue to run after its been started. What if there was an electronic failure of the key while you were driving? You wouldn't want the car to just immediately shut off because it detected no key because of an electrical malfunction and leave you stranded on the freeway. I think this should be just a hard lesson learned and probably will not happen again.
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