U.S. 2016 M3 LCI / M4 New Standard Equipment and Changes (Sakhir Orange returns!)

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by cbems

cant wait for the rear view camera requirement to go into affect so so bmw can no longer bundle it in the most worthless/overpriced option packages.

In a package or not, BMW will still get their money out of every option they put in...it's call the "sticker price".

[Jim B]

Originally Posted by SamS

Priority 1. Means that paint selection is a special consideration, could be subject to delays, etc. Not the same as Individual, however.

Looks like I won't be seeing myself coming down the road very often.

[Cooltones]

I was looking forward to ordering my M4 this July - With, or without an LCI "incentive".

[vladinecko]

Originally Posted by oneighty

Just posted on the home page:
BMW model year 2016 updates summary

I believe this confirms that the 2016 M4 will NOT be getting any of the interior LCI changes either (which unfortunately also means not getting the new nav unit). M4 convertible is essentially the same as the coupe (+1 other change), ie. not LCI interior.

i know the hive mentality here ("who cares about the bells and whistles, it's all about the car") is going to frown upon my attitude regarding this but this is a deal breaker for me.

i'm going to be honest, the only reason i'm not driving an M4 yet is because i didn't start looking to upgrade until this January, at which point i was willing to wait a few months for the LCI hoping it would come with a nav update. the fact BMW decided to include the updates on F30 models and exclude F32s from them is beyond my very limited comprehension.

also note that both the sedan and the coupe come with a hefty price increase (3.5% and 3.4%, respectively) while only justifying the hike for the M3.

so a sales person could pitch you the M3 as, we now include all these options standard BUT you get a new generation of this, this and that. while with the M4, they can only say, we shove these options down your throat whether you like it or not AND you'll pay a $1,200 premium on it all! take it or leave it!

all the bitterness aside, i'm back to square one picking out a replacement for my perfect, albeit aging, E92 M3. maybe it's a sign to finally make the leap to a 911...

[FAM3]

Originally Posted by vladinecko

i know the hive mentality here ("who cares about the bells and whistles, it's all about the car") is going to frown upon my attitude regarding this but this is a deal breaker for me.

i'm going to be honest, the only reason i'm not driving an M4 yet is because i didn't start looking to upgrade until this January, at which point i was willing to wait a few months for the LCI hoping it would come with a nav update. the fact BMW decided to include the updates on F30 models and exclude F32s from them is beyond my very limited comprehension.

also note that both the sedan and the coupe come with a hefty price increase (3.5% and 3.4%, respectively) while only justifying the hike for the M3.

so a sales person could pitch you the M3 as, we now include all these options standard BUT you get a new generation of this, this and that. while with the M4, they can only say, we shove these options down your throat whether you like it or not AND you'll pay a $1,200 premium on it all! take it or leave it!

all the bitterness aside, i'm back to square one picking out a replacement for my perfect, albeit aging, E92 M3. maybe it's a sign to finally make the leap to a 911...

According to Car and Driver, both 2016 M3 and M4's will get the updated Nav units.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2016-bm...th-a-bit-more/

[Cooltones]

Originally Posted by vladinecko

i know the hive mentality here ("who cares about the bells and whistles, it's all about the car") is going to frown upon my attitude regarding this but this is a deal breaker for me.

i'm going to be honest, the only reason i'm not driving an M4 yet is because i didn't start looking to upgrade until this January, at which point i was willing to wait a few months for the LCI hoping it would come with a nav update. the fact BMW decided to include the updates on F30 models and exclude F32s from them is beyond my very limited comprehension.

also note that both the sedan and the coupe come with a hefty price increase (3.5% and 3.4%, respectively) while only justifying the hike for the M3.

so a sales person could pitch you the M3 as, we now include all these options standard BUT you get a new generation of this, this and that. while with the M4, they can only say, we shove these options down your throat whether you like it or not AND you'll pay a $1,200 premium on it all! take it or leave it!

all the bitterness aside, i'm back to square one picking out a replacement for my perfect, albeit aging, E92 M3. maybe it's a sign to finally make the leap to a 911...

I understand (and FEEL) your frustration here. Personally, I think its BMW's way of "encouraging" more people to buy and M3 over an M4...
My situation is that I've got an E60 M5. I really wanted to get a two door this go around. Another reason I think that BMW didn't simply update the 4-series along with the 3-series (and I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons too): Yet another way to now try and differentiate a 3 series from a 4 series...

[Sassicaia]

Has it been confirmed if the LCI update allows you put a roof rack on the CF roof ?

[ezease30]

The C&D article states: "Oh, and BMW is dropping Sakhir Orange Metallic paint from its available options, including its online configurator, and will only make it available through a custom order."

How accurate is this? I thought SO was back as a standard color option? At least that's what I believe I've read from this forum. Can someone confirm?

[oneighty]

Originally Posted by ezease30

The C&D article states: "Oh, and BMW is dropping Sakhir Orange Metallic paint from its available options, including its online configurator, and will only make it available through a custom order."

How accurate is this? I thought SO was back as a standard color option? At least that's what I believe I've read from this forum. Can someone confirm?

It's not accurate, you will be able to order SO for 2016s again without it being a custom individual order.

I can kind of (from on odd business perspective) understand not including the trim pieces, but something like NAV baffles me. That means you are literally having your supplier continue producing an old unit AND new unit at the same time (with old AND new hardware). You'd think BMW could save some money from rather order something new in bulk (ie. 2x or whatever the ratio works on to be) then having them continue to supply old and new hardware and software.

Trim fine, give me 10 in black and 10 in chrome, whatever, but NAV is a little bit insane...

[SamS]

Originally Posted by oneighty

I can kind of (from on odd business perspective) understand not including the trim pieces, but something like NAV baffles me. That means you are literally having your supplier continue producing an old unit AND new unit at the same time (with old AND new hardware). You'd think BMW could save some money from rather order something new in bulk (ie. 2x or whatever the ratio works on to be) then having them continue to supply old and new hardware and software.

Trim fine, give me 10 in black and 10 in chrome, whatever, but NAV is a little bit insane...

Ever consider that the Nav supplier or sub-suppliers simply cannot make enough of the new units/chips to support both series of cars?

[stevexyz]

Originally Posted by texxy

According to Car and Driver, both 2016 M3 and M4's will get the updated Nav units.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2016-bm...th-a-bit-more/

Thanks for sharing. The article doesn't cite any sources and the next to last paragraph in particular seems to be mostly wrong:

All M3 and M4 models have upgraded navigation systems with wireless updates and faster processing speeds, plus chrome accents scattered throughout the interior, L-shaped LED taillamps, and other minutiae only the M3 forums will notice, such as the climate-control display switching from BMW’s trademark amber to white. Oh, and BMW is dropping Sakhir Orange Metallic paint from its available options, including its online configurator, and will only make it available through a custom order.

Specifically, the M4 gets none of that (source: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1140538), and Sakhir Orange is a standard color for F80 and F83 and a Priority 1 color (meaning only for customer-ordered vehicles) for F82 (source: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...8&d=1432840258, page 3).

[vladinecko]

Originally Posted by Cooltones

I understand (and FEEL) your frustration here. Personally, I think its BMW's way of "encouraging" more people to buy and M3 over an M4...

and "FEEL" is the operative word here. mainly because nothing about purchasing a $70k+ high-performance vehicle to drive around town at 25-65 mph is logical. if we were logical, we'd all be driving Honda Civics. so i'd argue that purchasing an M car is a purely emotional decision.

so not only am I not ashamed of my discontent with this situation, i believe being emotional about it goes hand-in-hand with owning an M car.

[vladinecko]

i was so upset over this issue that I contacted BMWNA to get a comment on why the LCI excluded the 4-series/M4. predictably, their response was a no-response:

Thanks for contacting the BMW Genius Team.

The 2016 BMW 4 Series did not go through a LCI update. However, the 2016 BMW 3 Series did go through a LCI update. Therefore, the 2016 BMW M4 will not receive the LCI update like the BMW 3 Series. At this time, we do not have any information on why the 4 Series did not go through this refresh.

I hope this information is helpful. Thanks again for your inquiry.

are they really saying to buy 3er instead of 4er? can anyone here think of reasons why they'd want to steer people away from the 4-series when it's still so young? or are we all fundamentally misunderstanding the underlying problem?

[vladinecko]

Originally Posted by texxy

According to Car and Driver, both 2016 M3 and M4's will get the updated Nav units.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2016-bm...th-a-bit-more/

it appears that entire article is full of inaccuracies, i wonder where they get their information from.

[ricerx1]

Here is my Vehicle inquiry for a 2016 M4 I ordered 2 weeks ago. It shows Carbon Fiber Trim with Black Chrome, So maybe it is getting the new LCI interior bits.

I have my fingers crossed hoping it gets the updated nav.

[vladinecko]

Originally Posted by ricerx1

maybe it is getting the new LCI interior bits.

I have my fingers crossed hoping it gets the updated nav.

as mentioned in the quote i got directly from BMWNA, your hopes are wasted on you.

[Padfan9]

The only thing that annoys me is that the keyless entry and back up camera wasn't standard on the 2015

[K-A]

Originally Posted by vladinecko

i was so upset over this issue that I contacted BMWNA to get a comment on why the LCI excluded the 4-series/M4. predictably, their response was a no-response:



are they really saying to buy 3er instead of 4er? can anyone here think of reasons why they'd want to steer people away from the 4-series when it's still so young? or are we all fundamentally misunderstanding the underlying problem?

The real answer to this, is that it's what happens when corporations lose all semblance of succinct focus and get bloated and diluted. They just released the 4 Series, so an "LCI" so soon makes no sense for the image of the car or their margins. The issue is, that it's THEIR choice that the 4 is so similar to the 3, is a newly renamed model, and came out so far after the 3, thus making its "LCI" premature if aligning with the 3.

So, like any company who becomes at the pure whim of boardrooms/investors/bean counters, things get disjointed and the customers are the ones who suffer. Such as the case with the M4 now becoming a technically inferior car (if the LCI bits matter, and why not. I couldn't care less about Nav, I wish they'd offer a choice to take it out and save thousands, but if they're charging you for it, and they are, then you want the best, just like you want the best interior bits, etc, and most importantly: LED taillights.... if the 4 doesn't come with those either) to its underlying twin, at even more expensive of a price.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by stevexyz

Specifically, the M4 gets none of that (source: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1140538)...

Even though this is an official BMW release, I have doubts that the 4 Series and M4 will not see these updates (Nav, shiny bits, etc.).

The reason I have a hard time believing this is that the entire point of sharing those parts across the models to begin with was to achieve lower cost. So why would it make sense to diverge now?

I am not saying that the BMW document is certain to be incorrect, just that I remain skeptical until we see pictures of 2016 M4 and 4 Series in owners hands to verify they are being built with the non-updated Nav and non-updated interior parts.

[stevexyz]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Even though this is an official BMW release, I have doubts that the 4 Series and M4 will not see these updates (Nav, shiny bits, etc.).

The reason I have a hard time believing this is that the entire point of sharing those parts across the models to begin with was to achieve lower cost. So why would it make sense to diverge now?

I am not saying that the BMW document is certain to be incorrect, just that I remain skeptical until we see pictures of 2016 M4 and 4 Series in owners hands to verify they are being built with the non-updated Nav and non-updated interior parts.

Yeah, I hear you. Perhaps they just don't want to commit to it publicly for the M4 and will use up the inventory of pre-LCI parts on the M4 and then switch to the newer parts mid year. I too am still holding out hope that when my M4 arrives later this year that there will be some shiny LCI surprises. But I won't be disappointed if not.

[quiksi]

it's really about damn time BMW made CA standard. a zero option (or +DCT if you choose) '16 plus a backup camera retrofit sounds like a fantastic deal to me

[PodDoc]

Originally Posted by oneighty

Just posted on the home page:
BMW model year 2016 updates summary

I believe this confirms that the 2016 M4 will NOT be getting any of the interior LCI changes either (which unfortunately also means not getting the new nav unit). M4 convertible is essentially the same as the coupe (+1 other change), ie. not LCI interior.

Does anyone have info to confirm the new nav unit will be available from 7/2015 production, or just sometime during the 2016 model year. Reason I ask is because when I got my '13 335i, It was built in the first month of production. Had i waited a few months, I would have gotten the new nav unit with bigger control knob with touch writing capability. I just put in my order for a '16 M3 and they were able to get me a production for delivery around September. I just hope they arent waiting to release the new unit until they release it in the new 7 series. I realize that the 2 arent exactly the same, but many of the internals may be the same and it makes just as much sense for them to want to debut it on their flagship first as it is to significantly upgrade the nav mid model year.