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Best buy @ $50k? F80 / M2 / M2C / 718 / A90 Supra
This will be long winded and may not necessarily be as focused as I would like, but I will try my best to be coherent with my thoughts.
I currently drive an F30 328i that I've paid off. Standard jb4/catless downpipe/intake for sound/H&R sport springs/437m wheels. For the past year and a half, I've been putting some money aside each paycheck as if I had a car payment. My original idea was to get into one of the cheapest F80's that I could find come Winter 2020. I figured that by then, the G80 would be out and the used market may take another 5-10% depreciation hit. I've already been seeing some 2015's hit $38k, so this was looking like a good deal to me at the time. I negotiated an unexpected "6 month" raise in October and have an upcoming annual review in April and so my budget has gone up to around $50k MAX. I was also set on going manual for sure with the F80. I've been reading a lot of people mentioning the "lag" that can occur between gear shifts with the manual (and other counterpoints stating that it can be corrected with a tune) and others stating that DCT was the way to go to get the most out of the car. I have another manual car, though its out of state and I haven't seen it in 5 years. I honestly have no preference either way and without having driven each, can't really decide what might be best for me. DCT seems the more convenient option for Orange County traffic. Then I started diving into the differences in model years and started leaning more towards the comp package. Then...I started leaning more towards a 2018+ with the updated headlights. Finding a sub 30k miles, mineral grey or black exterior, sakhir orange interior, comp package 2018+ for $50k, that's already in my area, has been difficult. I've always liked the M2 and thought for a while I could see myself getting into one of those. I absolutely prefer the hexagon style headlight option (adaptive?) over the circular design. This seemed like a viable option as well, until they decided to come out with the M2 competition. Now it seems like it would be a waste to pick up an OG M2 when you get the comp with the S55 and the better seats. I've seen very few M2C's near $50k; they typically are seen around 53 or 54, so beyond my budget it seems. In looking at used F80s, one of the dealer sites has a 718 Cayman available right around the same price point ($48k). I loved the 987 Cayman when it came out; I've always been a huge fan of the looks of it. I am admittedly not very knowledgeable about p-cars. So, I've spent the past week reading up on the different generations and each generation's different models (i.e. base, S, GTS). This 718 looked gorgeous at first, but now that I know a little bit more, I see that it's fairly light on options and its a base model. The base is a 2L flat 4 turbo (with the S and GTS being 2.5L with a better turbo). The S and GTS are unfortunately beyond that $50k upper limit. There are a few companies offering tunes and I particularly like the bundle from fabspeed that offers a tune+catless downpipe+exhaust for 3,500. My concern with the base model is people reporting the low end lag (that doesn't seem to be there with the larger 2.5L engine and variable vane turbo). It also feels like I would be missing out by spending this much money on another 4 cylinder car with a lot less headroom for modifications than the F80 platform. I've also been following the A90 Supra for the past few years and was really excited for the launch. It seems to be bringing a lot more attention to the B58 which is great overall for the community. It seems like with BM3 and a catless downpipe, it would be no slouch, and most reviewers really enjoy driving it. Its unfortunate however that there are still dealer markups on them and really no used market available yet. Its unknown if one could be negotiated down to that $50k price point. Those are my thoughts on each of the cars. I have not driven any of them, nor even been inside any of them. I was considering using turo to rent each one for a day to get a "real" test drive in. Does anyone have any advice or comments concerning any of these cars, or even other recommendations around this price point? I will say that I am not a fan of Audi, Mercedes, or most domestics.
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Shelby GT350. That car is dripping with character, amazing engine, riot to drive. Didn't work for me as the back seats are too small, but based on the cars your looking at that seems like a non issue.
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01-30-2020, 07:52 AM | #3 |
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2015/2016 M3's can be had for a very reasonable price IMO. I would suggest looking for an F80 under $40k or slightly above. You'll get a heck of a lot of performance and still save a few thousand vs the other options. Even better if you can snag a Comp, that way you can code in all the CS or other settings. The regular 718, while a great car, just isn't special enough with the 4 cylinder.
2015-16 M3, pretty decent value atm 2017-2018 Camaro 1LE, best value with it's own downfalls Shelby GT350 in the mid $40k range M2C, perfect size, good motor, a bit pricey IMO Supra, great for overall use, lots of daily driver features, good motor, etc. 718, meh w/the 4, yay w/da 6 GL!
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01-30-2020, 11:12 AM | #4 |
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If you can find an m2c 6mt in your price range, that would be an interesting car to just leave stock and enjoy. It has the best chance of going the way of the 1M resale value wise, in my opinion.
‘16 f80 would be great too. The one thing I’ve found out about Porsche after getting one is that everything escalates in terms of repair and maintenance. So just be sure you know what you are getting into on that front. Full warranty and free maintenance bmw is a lot different of a cost profile to own than out of warranty p-car |
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Don't ever stretch yourself thin just for a car. Rather than searching for the cheapest 2017-2018 car you can find, its a better idea to get a mint well taken care of 2015-2016 example.
I'd go with a 2015-16 M3 or M4. Or an original M2. They have already taken a good chunk of depreciation. You can find a clean examples in the low 40s. When you get into the 30k range you are finding cars with missing options/sunroofs/accident history/driven in salt. Just drive them all and see which one you like. Shouldn't be too hard to find a used M2 or M3 on a dealer lot to check out. Sounds like this is your daily driver and you have to deal with traffic, so i'd go DCT
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But considering the amount of car you can get with the same money from its competitors, it just doesn't seem like a good choice. Quote:
I forgot about the maintenance costs on the porsche also. I think there was a C&D article on a long term cayman vs. (I forgot which trim) c7 corvette and they had a maintenance cost spread and the cayman was something like 4x the corvette. Very good points there, thank you! Quote:
I found this original M2 that looks like a bargain - https://************/wkdnk8q Only downside is its an auto. Is the original as responsive to tuning as the S55? I think whichever platform I go with, a catless downpipe (or pipes) and flash like BM3 are planned. I think that's why I'd almost rather go with a '16+ M3 over the original M2.
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What are you going to use the car for? Commute? Track? Do you have another daily?
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No other daily right now. Considering shipping my other car here from FL, though its an engine swapped '95 240sx and not the best candidate for a daily.
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The cayman might not look like much on paper. But you're paying for the mid engine layout which is pretty much better in every way than a front engine layout. it will ride better, handle better, turn in better. Porsche charges obscene amounts for service work by the hour. if you can find a good indy shop that will help drop the costs significantly. My buddy has a macan and took to Porsche for an alignment, they wanted $500. So he took to VW/Audi instead for half that.
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Shattering pre-conceived notions is one of the things the Model 3 is best at, so one never really knows.
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I am in similar situation where I planning to replace my F30 to F80/F82/M2C/Others in winter 2020 Same around $50K budget. Test drove a F82 and my friend's F80 M3, a C7 Vette and RWD Jaguar F type R. So far my preference is the Jag. I LOVE the F80/F82, amazing car with good deal at this time. But when it gets to the interior, is very similar to the F30 that I owned for 6 years. I kinda don't want to spent 50K for the same interior for another 5-6 years. But as I said the F80/F82 is awesome enough for me to consider. The vette is great but I just not a fan of that transmission & engine noise, beside the C8 is coming out so C7 is not consider at this time. 718 cayman is 4-cyclinder so no consider for me, but the 981 Cayman S, the flat H6 engine with the sound and PDK The only problem with that car is is gets a bit outdated and maintanance could be pricy. Until I drove the Jag. I am not saying the Jag is the best, it has many flaws: lack of reliability and the MPG. But overall is a gorgeous car, with 550hp V8 and the ZF8, the exhuast sound, the interior, the performance. But it never beat the BMW in handling and reliability and the aftermarket is lacking for Jaguar. I am really insterest how the G80 will actually looks like, if that G80 continue the legacy of the M3, I might consider of leasing one. To conclude, since my plan is replacing my F30 at winter 2020, My plan will be
1)Get a 2016 AWD Jaguar F type R 2)Get a 2018 F80/F82 comp 3)Lease a G80 M3 4)Lease a C8 |
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I love each engine's unique sound. It's fun to me to try to guess which car just drove by based on the noise. Subaru WRX/STI's boxers, any of the Nissan/Infiniti VQ engines, Mustang coyotes, those are the easy to identify ones.
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I still think it's worth taking a test drive, because it's mind-blowing, and can quickly rearrange your priorities. In any case, good luck with your search! |
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I drove a Model S 85 last week. It did not change my mind. I can't drive in silence. Instant power is nice but there's nothing else to it. |
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You drove an f30 335 equivalent, and zcd1 was talking about the f80 M3 equivalent.
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My opinion still stands. I drove the Model S in real world conditions. No sound, no gear changes = no thanks.
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The faster EV with tons of torque, AWD and aggressive suspension tuning are a lot different than the base model car you drove, but honestly, I am ok with less people driving EV. More chargers and hov access for me |
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For me, it is was just a toy/I was buying it solely for the fun to drive aspect than 718 Cayman all the way.
I personally need fun to drive mixed with something that can fit a rear facing car seat, F80 ZCP is what I landed on. |
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I like making cars my own, so availability of BimmerCode and BootMod3 were a huge plus. Just a thought. C8 I wanted to try, but the delay to market was huge and when reviews came out and complaints of understeer poured in, I bailed. C8 is only worth considering in Z06 package to me |
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