Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

One irrelevant question: can you still order the V8 C63S? Looks like the configurator is still open.

I'm not sure but I don't think so. I believe the order books are closed for MY21 W205 C63's and the ones on dealer lots are the last of them but I could be wrong.

MB USA is very lazy with their configurators, you can still build a W222 S-Class online but those went out of production a while back now as the W223's are starting to be built.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

One irrelevant question: can you still order the V8 C63S? Looks like the configurator is still open.

With MCTs, probably not going to be that high revving (expecting more or less 7300 rpm). The highest revving variant was 7300 rpm with 6.3L C63 I believe.

Looks proper fun

Thats one sexy car w/o even taking the V8 into account...

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by minn19

So "amazing" they can't wait to get rid of it.

The used market for these things is gonna be a bloodbath...

Especially if that new C63 is the real deal ... it kinda makes anything not naturally aspirated & special look stupid

[kyrix1st]

DTM 4 cylinder doesn't sound too bad

[swagon]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

More ugly pigs coming from Munich. Behold M's first standalone vehicle in decades... a 5,000lb SUV

Proper F150 front end, that. Jfc. Are they really doing tiny head lamps on the Xs?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by swagon

Proper F150 front end, that. Jfc. Are they really doing tiny head lamps on the Xs?

Agree, my first thought was that this thing looks like a truck.

[swagon]

In my ever so negative opinion, I am pretty sure we are now past peak BMW and Merc design. Audi still sort of hanging in there with some of the new RS models. It's been downhill since the 2010s throughout the German land with some very rare exceptions, though. And these are the top models; I swear that nowadays, the base versions are intentionally left ugly to make customers pay extra for sport packs at least. But if the base is a turd, the top is just a polished turd.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by swagon

In my ever so negative opinion, I am pretty sure we are now past peak BMW and Merc design.

more/less agreed with two caveats:

(1.) One more chance
Given 8ish year platform cycles, we already know BMW has crumbled and their design talent has fled, but what about Merc? This new C63 seem like a genius transitional performance car: way better power w/ way better mileage - everything is better than old ICE. So what will they do with the design? I'm holding out hope it's a kickass mature design made for grown-ass men rather than googly-eyed 15 year olds impressed by clashing florescent colors.

(2.) EV transition
Performance EVs need high aero CDs in the 0.2s for range and speed - the lower the drag, the lighter the battery, the lighter the car. That's gonna have some big design impact and Benz is already fighting that out with Tesla on the EQS vs Model S for the lowest CD in the World ... in any event, as EVs come into the performance world, design is gonna have to drastically evolve.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

more/less agreed with two caveats:

(1.) One more chance
Given 8ish year platform cycles, we already know BMW has crumbled and their design talent has fled, but what about Merc? This new C63 seem like a genius transitional performance car: way better power w/ way better mileage - everything is better than old ICE. So what will they do with the design? I'm holding out hope it's a kickass mature design made for grown-ass men rather than googly-eyed 15 year olds impressed by clashing florescent colors.

(2.) EV transition
Performance EVs need high aero CDs in the 0.2s for range and speed - the lower the drag, the lighter the battery, the lighter the car. That's gonna have some big design impact and Benz is already fighting that out with Tesla on the EQS vs Model S for the lowest CD in the World ... in any event, as EVs come into the performance world, design is gonna have to drastically evolve.

The C 63 is not going to look much different from what we're accustomed to nor drastically different to the x206 AMG Line models, imo.

The EQS is going to set the pace and its entire looks are going to trickle down and spread left & right across the rest of their EV line-up. Mercedes has always been very good at copy & paste.

They all look the same and have the same design features. There was, however, a short period in the 2010s where the C, E, and S-class were very distinctive (the 221 was just out-of-the-box for Merc). Not anymore again, unfortunately. Should better tone down a bit the current melting-banana look, though.

This is one positive aspect that you have to give to BMW, that the 3 and 5 Series just tend to differ from each more than their Audi or MB counterparts.

I'm not sure if we're going to see totally drastical changes in the German sphere. Cars are just going to look cleaner due to aerodynamics, like you mentioned. I don't think many customers of regular-ass commuters want their EV to look heavily different to their out-going ICE Golfs, Passats, Tiguans, A4s, Insignias, X3s, or whatever is selling the best in BRD as of now. This is where BMW may crash with their beavers... or maybe not.

Taking it from a bit different angle here, it must be said lot of people in many EU countries go for the best lease deals they can find without caring about the brand or looks. And governments are forcing companies to buy vehicles with low CO2 emissions via taxes and extra incentives, so EVs are becoming increasingly common company vehicles. The UK is a great example of that with their BIK.

And so one might just overlook the beavers and lack of Hoffmeister Kinks if the deal is too good to pass. These deals and employee schemes are why we're seeing the exodus of non-premium marque saloons in Europe. In the UK, the so-called (Ford) Mondeo Man, a term coined by Tony Blair, now drives a 320d M Sport/C220d AMG Line/A4 S-Line. And the Mondeo is being phased out. Just a slightly unrelated look into how things are in Europe.

[GrussGott]

another interesting review from a Bimmerposter who started Obsessed Garage and has had a ton of BMWs, M cars, porsches, etc. Nothing amazing, but I always like hearing from Matt.

"a refined F80 with a big pig nose ... everybody hates it, it doesn't look better in person, it just doesn't occur to you as much ... everything about this is too big"

but he does like it as a family car.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by swagon

In total agreement with you - while I think the new class of MBs look good, I also think they are too homogeneous looking within their brand. I guess it’s somewhat symbolic of the lean supply chain that defines modern cars. I mean look at the C & E, if they were driving next to each other I don’t know that I could tell the difference right away (maybe size would be the only give away). Simple things like variations in headlight design go a long way, and my favorite class of MBs is the outgoing class - they are all quite beautiful with strong retro-modern designs. The W213 E-Class coupe is IMO one of the most beautiful exterior and interior designs MB has ever done. I also feel that for the big 3 Germans (Audi, MB, BMW), they’ve passed their design peak and honestly are at best boring and at worst... well we’ve seen where BMW is heading. Maybe I’m just getting old, I never remember thinking that new car designs were boring and unimaginative. Heck I still stare in awe and desire at 05+ Vantages... a design that is 15 years old at this point!

Edit: man the Vantage just doesn’t have a bad angle

[GrussGott]

Chris Harris' face when asked about the look of the new M3:

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

Chris Harris' face when asked about the look of the new M3:

That's the face everyone gave him when he was driving it around

[R N M]

Originally Posted by GrussGott

another interesting review from a Bimmerposter who started Obsessed Garage and has had a ton of BMWs, M cars, porsches, etc. Nothing amazing, but I always like hearing from Matt.

"a refined F80 with a big pig nose ... everybody hates it, it doesn't look better in person, it just doesn't occur to you as much ... everything about this is too big"

but he does like it as a family car.

I saw Matt’s review and he absolutely hates the F80 lol.

I agree that the new G80 is much better as a daily than F80 and especially if you get the Auto vs DCT which is not ideal for sitting in traffic. I prefer the less isolated more raw nature of F80 even though its not polished/boring like the new one.

[Sassicaia]

Originally Posted by R N M

I saw Matt’s review and he absolutely hates the F80 lol.

I agree that the new G80 is much better as a daily than F80 and especially if you get the Auto vs DCT which is not ideal for sitting in traffic. I prefer the less isolated more raw nature of F80 even though its not polished/boring like the new one.

I saw one of this reviews of the F80 and he said he would be bummed if he didn't have his 911 as his weekend driver. He thought the f80 "looked so damn good". He was luke about it but didn't see him say he hates it?

[R N M]

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

I saw one of this reviews of the F80 and he said he would be bummed if he didn't have his 911 as his weekend driver. He thought the f80 "looked so damn good". He was luke about it but didn't see him say he hates it?

Listen to the G80 review.
He likes F80 looks but almost nothing else.

[stein_325i]

Found this on the 2er forums.

[secretanchitman]

Originally Posted by minn19

Definitely agreed and most people that spend the dough on PPF want it done by their own preffered shop.

Very true - I went to my detailers and they do an incredible job (Chicago Auto Pros).

[clutchdj]

Originally Posted by R N M

Listen to the G80 review.
He likes F80 looks but almost nothing else.

He was one of the first with an akra exhaust on the f80 and had the valve rattle issue. Then it was the stones getting caught up in CCBs before the revised heat sheilds. Think it kind of went downhill from there. Can’t remember if he joined the mustang gang shortly after or went back to an e9x

[RugbyBro]

This week on comparisons I never asked for...

Shocker... the track spec P car is superior on the track

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

This week on comparisons I never asked for...

Shocker... the track spec P car is superior on the track

I'm shocked to my very core!

[NickyC]

Please don’t ever have a glorious GT4 sitting next to that abomination. The two cars aren’t even on the same planet.