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No third pedal = non-engagedbox in terms of driving engagement. |
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I actually don't mind turbos at all. IMO, you can have a great exhaust note and a turbo. However, the best exhaust notes on the market now IMO are the SRT exhaust. Ridiculously low and smooth baritone notes. Not thrashy and obnoxious like Mustangs. Not midrange like Ferrari, etc. The 6.4L V8 and 8.4L V10 are naturally aspirated. |
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08-21-2013, 11:53 PM | #117 |
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If I am to order I think I'll go with DCT. There is no denying the performance and convenience benefit. Imo if the manual guys were to drive one of these manumatics at the track and/or back roads many may change their minds. Sure there are those who get the DCT as they think of it as an an automatic but there are many others who choose it over the manual for efficiency in performance reasons.
Not to mention resale. How many DCT's to manual's chosen by purchasers is it again? Something like 85/15? So you go to sell your manual and the potential pool of buyers is much lower.
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08-21-2013, 11:55 PM | #119 | |
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However, I still disagree with such a corrected version of the statement and have outlined my positions in a couple of long preceeding posts.
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08-21-2013, 11:56 PM | #120 | |
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For example, many times, I like to directly go from 2nd to 4th or 5th. Or I coast in neutral. I don't want to have to click gears to go from 2 to 5. I want full control. That is full engagement. Also, I want to feel what gear I am in with my hands, not have to look down to see what gear I am in. |
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08-22-2013, 12:16 AM | #122 |
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Transmissions aside, look at that picture of the M3 at the pump! It looks the business and significantly more menacing than the F30. I hope the interior is a similar upgrade in sportiness and quality of materials to set it apart from the so-so F30 interior.
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Haha, I do the exact same thing. I always feel a little sick to my stomach when I see the auto. Transversely, I get excited and have a grin on my face when I see a manual. I recently had a mom with 2 kids in car seats, she had a three series in manual. I was elated and even told her that I loved her rocking the manual. Thumbs up moment in the parking lot. I love manuals!! |
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The argument of what part of the mechanical process can be removed before it starts detracting from the driving experience is a tough question. Need to define driving experience and the aspects of what make that up, there are going to be individualistic parts to it I’m guessing. Some may believe they are more of a purist hence may regard certain parts of the driving process more important than others. No right or wrong to it just opinions. No doubt DCT/PDK are slowly being phased out as the case with the Lambos/Fezzas, that is evident with the M3 sales numbers perhaps post F80/82 era, so unless there was a massive upsurge in MT sales would be hard to see them lasting a lot longer. How long will I try ‘resist’? In the short term to medium term as far as a weekend car goes (which my E90 M3 is most of the time given I live in London) would like to keep it MT, if I need to be driving everyday in traffic I’m sure I’ll be considering some form of an automatic gearbox.
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MT or auto/DCT is mostly a cultural thing.
In Europe we grew up with cars that had mt. Bad MTs. Whenever we got in a car that had auto I thought it was luxury or sporty simply because it was different. Even today it is hard to rent a car with auto. In USA you grew up with auto cars. Not very good autos. I think you look at mt the way you do simply because it is different. IMHO a good MT is a good MT and a good DCT is a good DCT. Booth are good! And you can't compare the MT in an M3 with an MT in a crapy rental car and you can't compare the DCT with a crapy auto. I have driven both mt and DCT M3. Booth are good but I prefer the DCT simply because I have a choice in driving it in auto mode when I feel for and in manual mode when I feel for that. I don't feel less connected to the car in a DCT. Is it because I'm so used to crappy MTs? I don't know It is simply too costly to develop the car for 2 different gearbox options so MT is slowly disappearing simply because there are too few of them sold. The demand is just not big enough. I'm sure that we won't see a 7 mt gearbox for the M4 Will M3/M4 have a mt option in the US? Absolutely Will it have it in Europe? Probably this time around but I don't think it will be an mt of the next version in 8 years or so in Europe. Maybe in the us.
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08-22-2013, 03:43 AM | #130 | |
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With an automatic, your left foot becomes useless for driving, and 'advanced' techniques like heel/toe rev-matching when braking and downshifting cannot be executed anymore. Lots of people like this involvement. The physical act of flicking a switch just cannot be as involving as a foot/hand synchronised action for switching gears. It's like sports. Sport is about people having better hand/foot/eye coordination than others. Also, a 80 year old who never drove a car, can execute a perfect gear switch with AT. The same 80 year old will probably never be able to execute a heel-and-toe downshift. EDIT: I'm sure there's other techniques to be learned when driving a performance AT car. F1 is not about involvement. F1 is about technology to be the fastest around the track. Nobody will argue that an automatic/DCT is faster than a MT. If you're happy with your automatic, that's fine. But no need to convert everyone else to your belief. In the end, MT will probably go the dinosaur way, but that's for economic reasons because most car buyers prefer automatic because it is easier / lazier to drive around town, not because there's no people left who like MT. Last edited by hwelvaar; 08-22-2013 at 04:11 AM.. |
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I think the main thing manual drivers like about 6MT is bragging that they drive a 6MT. Too bad they are clueless and dont realize that the only ppl who care are other 6MT drivers. Just one big insecure group of men.
Oh and if the M4 farts that bad stock then the aftermarket wont even be able to save it IMO. |
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08-22-2013, 04:15 AM | #132 |
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LOL. You must be American. In Europe people brag they have an automatic, because it is a (costly) option. Everyone has been driving MT for the past 50 years here, including women.
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